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Post by stb12 on Mar 28, 2024 22:16:01 GMT
Is that not more specifically in relation to Northern Ireland? Interesting distinction. Are you suggesting that he is OK with the extrajudicial killing of Catholics, but not so much of Muslims? Well I don’t know if it’s like that exactly but the Troubles are clearly viewed through a unique lens by some, paramilitaries getting released as part of the Good Friday agreement probably plays some part in that as well
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 28, 2024 22:27:37 GMT
It is an absolute disgrace that the British government offered Republican and Loyalist killers immunity without demanding the same free pass to itself and its people.
And I will use this thread inappropriately to state that the Stakeknife operation where the UK government did not kill a single paramilitary but their rogue operative conned them into killing several and disgracing and ostracising devoted Republican families was a superb operation even if the person clearly running it was not a British Army officer but a psychopathic serial killer.
I know he did not save a single life. I don't care. He leaked invaluable intelligence and hollowed the paramilitary wing out for them inside. He deserved a knighthood.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 29, 2024 11:12:39 GMT
Bluntly I expect the British state to exhibit slightly more concern for morality than Gerry Kelly does.
I would also point out that in many of the cases which the amnesty forestalled, the problem seems to be less that the security services planned an extrajudicial killing and more that individuals were catastrophically incompetent in charge of a firearm. I personally prefer a competent soldiery.
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 29, 2024 11:17:49 GMT
There is always this disconnect when I suggest that the public sector should be more able to sack useless staff and you disagree and then I suggest that it should not jail them and you suggest that they perhaps should. But we are drifting off thread
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 29, 2024 13:04:12 GMT
I was unaware that I was opposed to the existence of capability proceedings.
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Post by nyx on Mar 29, 2024 13:04:37 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 9, 2024 17:43:17 GMT
William Wragg, Conservative to Independent
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 9, 2024 18:01:27 GMT
William Wragg, Conservative to Independent Why doesn't he just go? This death by a thousand cuts is only prolonging the agony for all concerned.
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 9, 2024 18:07:00 GMT
William Wragg, Conservative to Independent Why doesn't he just go? This death by a thousand cuts is just prolonging the agony for all concerned. I suspect he's getting kitten gloves because Tory head office know that's Hazel Grove and probably Cheadle gone for the next parliament if there's a by election in the area this summer. We know by-elections teach the electorate to vote tactically.
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 9, 2024 18:23:06 GMT
I have no issues with politicians who are vulnerable to blackmail. They all are.
Any politician who surrenders to blackmail is by definition unfit to hold office. That applies to William Wragg and it applies to every Labour MP who was too scared to vote on the SNP Gaza motion
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:25 GMT
Why doesn't he just go? This death by a thousand cuts is just prolonging the agony for all concerned. I suspect he's getting kitten gloves because Tory head office know that's Hazel Grove and probably Cheadle gone for the next parliament if there's a by election in the area this summer. We know by-elections teach the electorate to vote tactically. From what I heard, he's had some sort of breakdown or mental health crisis. I think that's the reason.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 9, 2024 21:13:47 GMT
I suspect he's getting kitten gloves because Tory head office know that's Hazel Grove and probably Cheadle gone for the next parliament if there's a by election in the area this summer. We know by-elections teach the electorate to vote tactically. From what I heard, he's had some sort of breakdown or mental health crisis. I think that's the reason. Hasn't he had some such crisis in the past? He was very interesting in tis recent piece in The Guardian Overall he comes over as a likeable bloke and that's probably gained him some time, although personally I feel likeability and "bravery" have been heavily trumped by sheer bloody stupidity in this case. I gather several Young Liberals were targeted by the same scammer at Conference and all managed to work out that it was indeed a scam and therefore refrained from sending dick pics.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 12, 2024 18:40:58 GMT
Bambos Charalambous returns to the Labour whip
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 12, 2024 18:44:10 GMT
Bambos Charalambous returns to the Labour whip Good. I really think the investigation is much too long.
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Post by ColinJ on Apr 12, 2024 18:50:27 GMT
Bambos Charalambous returns to the Labour whip Good. I really think the investigation is much too long. Agreed. They ALL take far too long. There's a Labour councillor in Harrow who has been suspended for 12 months now.
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 12, 2024 23:27:32 GMT
It would speed up investigations if those accused had English as a first language
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Post by iang on Apr 13, 2024 7:06:28 GMT
From what I heard, he's had some sort of breakdown or mental health crisis. I think that's the reason. Hasn't he had some such crisis in the past? He was very interesting in tis recent piece in The Guardian Overall he comes over as a likeable bloke and that's probably gained him some time, although personally I feel likeability and "bravery" have been heavily trumped by sheer bloody stupidity in this case. I gather several Young Liberals were targeted by the same scammer at Conference and all managed to work out that it was indeed a scam and therefore refrained from sending dick pics. There's a BBC story this morning that says the same thing - it appears to have started at the Lib Dem conference, then Labour's, and only then moved on to the Tories
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Post by YL on Apr 13, 2024 8:51:41 GMT
With the parties they were elected for in brackets, here is the list of the MPs still serving who do not currently take the whip of the party for which they were elected : Diane Abbott (Lab) - lost whip 23/4/23 Lee Anderson (C) - lost whip 24/2/24 Scott Benton (C) - lost whip 5/4/23 Crispin Blunt (C) - lost whip 25/10/23 Andrew Bridgen (C) - lost whip 11/1/23. Joined Reclaim for a time, but now Independent again. Nick Brown (Lab) - lost whip 7/9/22 Lisa Cameron (SNP) - defected to the Conservatives 12/10/23 Bambos Charalambous (Lab) - lost whip 9/6/23 Jeremy Corbyn (Lab) - lost whip 30/10/20 Geraint Davies (Lab) - lost whip 1/6/23 Matt Hancock (C) - lost whip 1/11/22 Neale Hanvey (SNP) - lost whip on arrival at Westminster after being disowned as candidate, whip subsequently restored but defected to Alba 28/3/21 Julian Knight (C) - lost whip 8/12/22 Kenny MacAskill (SNP) - defected to Alba 27/3/21 Andy McDonald (Lab) - lost whip 30/10/23 Conor McGinn (Lab) - lost whip 7/12/22 Angus McNeil (SNP) - lost whip 5/7/23. Expelled from the SNP 11/8/23 Kate Osamor (Lab) - lost whip 28/1/24 Rob Roberts (C) - lost whip 25/5/21 Bob Stewart (C) - resigned whip 23/11/23 Christian Wakeford (C) - defected to Labour 19/1/22 Claudia Webbe (Lab) - lost whip 28/9/20. Expelled from the Labour Party 4/11/21 In addition, although Jonathan Edwards has officially had the Plaid Cymru whip restored, he is not currently in its parliamentary party, according to the most recent information I have available. Please let me know if I have made any errors or omissions in this. This BBC article says that Jonathan Edwards "quit the party altogether" as well as threatening to run as an Independent. He was specifically prompted for in the Survation poll of the new Caerfyrddin constituency, and he is shown as an Independent on the Parliament website. So I think he should be fully on the list. Of course since the above was posted Anderson's status has changed, Charalambous and McDonald have had the whip restored, and William Wragg has resigned the whip.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 13, 2024 9:09:35 GMT
Anyone posting pictures of genitalia on a public website is a disgusting person and deserves absolutely no sympathy or to be cut any slack at all. The man is obviously 'thinking with his prick' in an all too literal sense and should be chucked out and branded as a dissolute pervert and an actual menace at large.
Is this an indication that politics draws in a higher proportion of show-offs, perverts and criminals of all sorts; or is this a true reflection of society as it has now degenerated? Or was it ever thus with many of us innocent of the enormity of the dissoluteness of a significant minority?
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Post by mrtoad on Apr 13, 2024 9:11:34 GMT
With the parties they were elected for in brackets, here is the list of the MPs still serving who do not currently take the whip of the party for which they were elected : Diane Abbott (Lab) - lost whip 23/4/23 Lee Anderson (C) - lost whip 24/2/24 Scott Benton (C) - lost whip 5/4/23 Crispin Blunt (C) - lost whip 25/10/23 Andrew Bridgen (C) - lost whip 11/1/23. Joined Reclaim for a time, but now Independent again. Nick Brown (Lab) - lost whip 7/9/22 Lisa Cameron (SNP) - defected to the Conservatives 12/10/23 Bambos Charalambous (Lab) - lost whip 9/6/23 Jeremy Corbyn (Lab) - lost whip 30/10/20 Geraint Davies (Lab) - lost whip 1/6/23 Matt Hancock (C) - lost whip 1/11/22 Neale Hanvey (SNP) - lost whip on arrival at Westminster after being disowned as candidate, whip subsequently restored but defected to Alba 28/3/21 Julian Knight (C) - lost whip 8/12/22 Kenny MacAskill (SNP) - defected to Alba 27/3/21 Andy McDonald (Lab) - lost whip 30/10/23 Conor McGinn (Lab) - lost whip 7/12/22 Angus McNeil (SNP) - lost whip 5/7/23. Expelled from the SNP 11/8/23 Kate Osamor (Lab) - lost whip 28/1/24 Rob Roberts (C) - lost whip 25/5/21 Bob Stewart (C) - resigned whip 23/11/23 Christian Wakeford (C) - defected to Labour 19/1/22 Claudia Webbe (Lab) - lost whip 28/9/20. Expelled from the Labour Party 4/11/21 In addition, although Jonathan Edwards has officially had the Plaid Cymru whip restored, he is not currently in its parliamentary party, according to the most recent information I have available. Please let me know if I have made any errors or omissions in this. This BBC article says that Jonathan Edwards "quit the party altogether" as well as threatening to run as an Independent. He was specifically prompted for in the Survation poll of the new Caerfyrddin constituency, and he is shown as an Independent on the Parliament website. So I think he should be fully on the list. Of course since the above was posted Anderson's status has changed, Charalambous and McDonald have had the whip restored, and William Wragg has resigned the whip. Also, Benton is no longer an MP.
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