European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on May 8, 2024 15:55:34 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to Aged like milk. How so? I said "most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to". I was not criticising the LibDems for accepting a defection, rather this peculiar belief amongst some of their supporters that they as a party are uniquely good and pure in these matters
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 8, 2024 16:08:03 GMT
That term 'stakeholder' makes me think of vampire hunters. I thought that we nailed Jesus on the cross, not impaled him! Well that explains why he came back.
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Post by batman on May 8, 2024 16:11:24 GMT
Swingometer is incorrect. There have been some other defections from Lab to Con. Certainly Ivor Thomas (Keighley, elected 1945) defected straight to the Tories as did Alfred Edwards (also elected in 1945, for Middlesbrough E).
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Post by batman on May 8, 2024 16:13:51 GMT
And to all intents & purposes all the MPs who went to National Labour from Labour in 1931 made a similar move even if they did not call themselves Conservatives.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 8, 2024 16:16:22 GMT
And to all intents & purposes all the MPs who went to National Labour from Labour in 1931 made a similar move even if they did not call themselves Conservatives. I would dispute that. The Labour MPs who declared their support for the National Government were expelled; they did not intentionally leave the party. It was the Labour Party's choice to regard this decision as leaving the party.
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Post by therealriga on May 8, 2024 16:56:21 GMT
Why have there been so many Con>Lab defections in the past, compared to just the one Lab>Con, being Reg Prentice of course? Could it be that left wingers are more rigid in their views or something else? There was also John Horam, though he got there via the SDP.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 8, 2024 18:16:31 GMT
WTF - 'Jewish stakeholders'? That term 'stakeholder' makes me think of vampire hunters. Hang on- does this mean she was going to talk to Mel Brooks? The most successful Jewish stakeholder of all time!
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Post by markfoster on May 9, 2024 10:21:53 GMT
Don't understand why we accepted this awful woman mired in scandal. Cos that's yer party now... Innit... I expect she'll get on fine as long as she doesn't criticize mass murder in Gaza.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 9, 2024 10:35:12 GMT
And to all intents & purposes all the MPs who went to National Labour from Labour in 1931 made a similar move even if they did not call themselves Conservatives. That's the spirit never let 1931 go!( i mean that in non sarcastic way)
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 9, 2024 10:38:35 GMT
Never mind!
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Post by uthacalthing on May 9, 2024 16:55:23 GMT
It could be argued that Starmer has changed Labours tune
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 9, 2024 18:22:17 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on May 9, 2024 18:48:40 GMT
A bit too obviously scripted and I wonder who by: after all, there are odd implications there given that Elphicke supported her for leader.
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Post by borisminor on May 9, 2024 19:38:13 GMT
A bit too obviously scripted and I wonder who by: after all, there are odd implications there given that Elphicke supported her for leader. Mordaunt has this issue - she is very competent at doing a bit of acting and memorising a prepared attack on Labour or the SNP, however under scrutiny she is absolutely dire. Case in point when she appeared on Marr before the EU Referendum and stated 'UK can't stop Turkey joining EU'. I am adamant that if she had won either leadership contest she stood in she would have been exposed horribly. She also changes her views on issues depending on the way the wind is blowing. I think there is a reason she has only had a senior cabinet post for two months.
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Post by manchesterman on May 9, 2024 20:27:20 GMT
TBF though she plays well to those - generally speaking - with a right-of-centre outlook on life. And anyway, since when did competence, attention to detail, grasp of facts and general common decency become a requirement for promotion to the highest of offices in the land???
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 11, 2024 16:11:43 GMT
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Post by weld on May 12, 2024 19:11:28 GMT
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 12, 2024 19:34:00 GMT
What is the sum-gain for them? I assume they are mainly in seats likely to be lost at the General Election, and that they have no ambitions to be selected as Labour candidates this time around. It may be that some simply have changed their views, or held their political loyalties lightly, or have hope of being awarded a peerage post-election and, if former ministers, could bring much needed experience to a Labour government. Mind you, how many Tory MPs haven't held some sort of ministerial role in the shambles of the last few years?
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Post by batman on May 12, 2024 20:11:54 GMT
Tobias Ellwood perhaps? just a guess
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 12, 2024 20:20:08 GMT
Please be Caroline Noakes.
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