Jack
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Apr 22, 2017 20:38:32 GMT
Post by Jack on Apr 22, 2017 20:38:32 GMT
YouGov/Sunday Times: Con 48% (n/c) Lab 25% (+1) LD 12% (n/c) UKIP 5% (-2) Nothing amazing about that.
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Tom
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Apr 22, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
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Apr 22, 2017 20:42:08 GMT
Post by lancastrian on Apr 22, 2017 20:42:08 GMT
I don't recall Corbyn's numbers on that question ever being amazing. I expect a large proportion of the remaining 45% don't trust either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:44:18 GMT
Mr Sir Paul Nuttall OBE PhD needs to add rescuer of declining political parties to his CV, and quickly. FTFY
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Apr 22, 2017 20:47:59 GMT
Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2017 20:47:59 GMT
I don't recall Corbyn's numbers on that question ever being amazing. I expect a large proportion of the remaining 45% don't trust either. Point is this is Labour's core issue. To be beaten by Tories on this is a shocking indictment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
YouGov/Sunday Times: Con 48% (n/c) Lab 25% (+1) LD 12% (n/c) UKIP 5% (-2) Nothing amazing about that. Well, we've come to something if a 23% poll lead is no longer amazing. Not sure I agree!
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Post by cogload on Apr 22, 2017 20:58:04 GMT
Some serious herding going on here...!
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 22, 2017 20:59:17 GMT
Either a huge Conservative lead, or a Corbyn surge? Labour are up, so the latter
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Jack
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Apr 22, 2017 21:00:27 GMT
Post by Jack on Apr 22, 2017 21:00:27 GMT
Nothing amazing about that. Well, we've come to something if a 23% poll lead is no longer amazing. Not sure I agree! Heh. What I mean is that it's just repeating the other polls. I was expecting some shocking difference. The only major change is UKIP's drop in support which was inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 21:06:33 GMT
Yes, I think it's UKIP's worst score since 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 21:29:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 21:32:12 GMT
Corbmentum
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Apr 26, 2017 21:33:52 GMT
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 26, 2017 21:33:52 GMT
Regression to the mean.
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Apr 26, 2017 22:47:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 22:47:49 GMT
We shouldn't read too much into one poll, but it's a little disconcerting from a Conservative viewpoint nonetheless. Not that a 16 point lead is to be sniffed at. Possibly the afterglow from the election announcement is beginning to deflate, but let's wait and see if the other polling organisations go the same way. Being a long way ahead doesn't do much to calm the mental anguish, let me tell you!
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Apr 26, 2017 22:54:09 GMT
Post by Tom on Apr 26, 2017 22:54:09 GMT
My dream result for this election will be for the Conservatives to win 419+ seats, beating Blair's 1997 tally. So let's hope this is just a rogue poll.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 26, 2017 23:50:25 GMT
My dream result for this election will be for the Conservatives to win 419+ seats, beating Blair's 1997 tally. So let's hope this is just a rogue poll. That is not my dream. It would lead to bad consequences. 1) Complacency. 2) Some very poor new MPs (see 1983, 1997 and SNP). 4) An immediate serious and fundamental rebuild on sensible lines by core Old Labour. 5) A new formation of an 'opposition' (perhaps two) within our party. 6) Triumphalism. 7) Some damn fool policies. 8) Re-alignment by the electorate nearly overnight.
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Apr 26, 2017 23:56:34 GMT
Post by Andrew_S on Apr 26, 2017 23:56:34 GMT
My dream result for this election will be for the Conservatives to win 419+ seats, beating Blair's 1997 tally. So let's hope this is just a rogue poll. That is not my dream. It would lead to bad consequences. 1) Complacency. 2) Some very poor new MPs (see 1983, 1997 and SNP). 4) An immediate serious and fundamental rebuild on sensible lines by core Old Labour. 5) A new formation of an 'opposition' (perhaps two) within our party. 6) Triumphalism. 7) Some damn fool policies. 8) Re-alignment by the electorate nearly overnight. A majority of around 50 seats is probably the best outcome in terms of avoiding the problems you bring to attention. It's interesting how few UK elections have resulted in a majority of that size. The closest may have been Margaret Thatcher's 1979 result.
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Apr 27, 2017 0:10:47 GMT
Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2017 0:10:47 GMT
Yes. This poll feels instinctively true and what initial polling returns and canvassing suggest. UKIP doing well and sharply up. LDs on a steep decline. Conservative nose dive. Labour buoyant on a great surge. This exactly how I see the present position too.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 27, 2017 6:39:55 GMT
My dream result for this election will be for the Conservatives to win 419+ seats, beating Blair's 1997 tally. So let's hope this is just a rogue poll. That is not my dream. It would lead to bad consequences. 1) Complacency. 2) Some very poor new MPs (see 1983, 1997 and SNP). 4) An immediate serious and fundamental rebuild on sensible lines by core Old Labour. 5) A new formation of an 'opposition' (perhaps two) within our party. 6) Triumphalism. 7) Some damn fool policies. 8) Re-alignment by the electorate nearly overnight. I agree with all of this. Power without scrutiny is unhealthy.
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Apr 27, 2017 7:10:01 GMT
Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Apr 27, 2017 7:10:01 GMT
IF this is close to the actual election result despite appalling leadership, confusion and astonishing division the Labour vote will be down by about 1 - 1.5% from 2015 and about the same as 2010. Whilst inevitably there will be considerable churn, the leap in the Conservative vote may chiefly be put down to the 5-6% fall in the UKIP vote.
Having said that, this is one poll and I am not wholly convinced the Labour vote is holding up as suggested here.
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