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Post by Antiochian on May 27, 2018 18:31:52 GMT
Conte gives up. One big step closer to fresh elections. Because the Pro-EU president Mattarella baulked at eurosceptic Savona as Economics Minister (according to the Guardian). The Empire strikes back.. in typically undemocratic form.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 27, 2018 19:45:14 GMT
Conte gives up. One big step closer to fresh elections. Because the Pro-EU president Mattarella baulked at eurosceptic Savona as Economics Minister (according to the Guardian). The Empire strikes back.. in typically undemocratic form. You have to wonder about this. Savona is a former minister, a well-known economist, and has been head of a bank. Political reasons are surely the only reason why a reasonably sensible character proves to be the stumbling block in a cabinet of nobodies.
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Post by greenhert on May 27, 2018 19:50:26 GMT
Indeed.
It is worth noting that these problems can be avoided by having internal committee elections within the House of Representatives in place of a cabinet; whoever ended up being chair of each committee would ipso facto become the minister for that committee's portfolio, with the rest of the committee becoming under-secretaries. The cabinet system is reliant on nepotism first and foremost rather than competence. It has had its day in government.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 27, 2018 20:10:43 GMT
Can the House of Savoy impose direct rule?
(That joke works best if you’re an Ulster-Piemontèis, like me)
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Post by mrpastelito on May 27, 2018 20:17:50 GMT
Can the House of Savoy impose direct rule? (That joke works best if you’re an Ulster-Piemontèis, like me) Or one of the other 5 in the world.
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Post by Antiochian on May 27, 2018 21:21:46 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on May 27, 2018 23:02:45 GMT
Conte gives up. One big step closer to fresh elections. Do you think fresh elections would produce a different result compared to before?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 6:55:39 GMT
Conte gives up. One big step closer to fresh elections. Do you think fresh elections would produce a different result compared to before? No. It would strengthen the hand of 5-Star and the League, I should think. This move by the president is likely to harden Eurosceptic sentiment. It is being played as outside interference and that will likely get traction if a technocratic government is introduced, as expected, with fresh elections delayed until next year.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 7:19:21 GMT
Conte gives up. One big step closer to fresh elections. Do you think fresh elections would produce a different result compared to before? That’s what the President is hoping for though isn’t it. I think this President may be remembered for ending Italy’s membership of the Euro and possibly the EU itself. This blatantly disrespectful and arguably dictatorial act surely cannot go unchallenged by the Italian people.
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Post by Antiochian on May 28, 2018 8:43:36 GMT
Do you think fresh elections would produce a different result compared to before? That’s what the President is hoping for though isn’t it. I think this President may be remembered for ending Italy’s membership of the Euro and possibly the EU itself. This blatantly disrespectful and arguably dictatorial act surely cannot go unchallenged by the Italian people. Jean-Claude is using Mattarella as his catspaw... as usual with J-C manouevres it will blow up in his face.
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Post by maxque on May 28, 2018 9:08:51 GMT
The right decision by the president, as Liga lied to electors. They were on the ballot with the center-right coalition, which they dumped to ally with someone else. This goes against the spirit of the new electoral law and, is as such, a fraud.
If Liga wanted to ally to M5S after the election, they should have run alone or with M5S, instead of betraying the coalition they ran with.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:26:53 GMT
The right decision by the president, as Liga lied to electors. They were on the ballot with the center-right coalition, which they dumped to ally with someone else. This goes against the spirit of the new electoral law and, is as such, a fraud. If Liga wanted to ally to M5S after the election, they should have run alone or with M5S, instead of betraying the coalition they ran with. Rubbish. Their coalition didn't get a majority and neither did anyone else, so they had to seek an alternative. They tried for a very long time to get M5S to accept inclusion of the entire centre-right coalition in the new government, and when that wasn't possible they asked their partner's permission to join on their own and got it.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:36:14 GMT
The right decision by the president, as Liga lied to electors. They were on the ballot with the center-right coalition, which they dumped to ally with someone else. This goes against the spirit of the new electoral law and, is as such, a fraud. If Liga wanted to ally to M5S after the election, they should have run alone or with M5S, instead of betraying the coalition they ran with. It’s nothing to do with that, it’s a stitch up to deny the will of the electorate because the ruling elite in Italy, which has misruled that country since 1948, doesn’t support Lega or M5S. That’s why he’s done what he has and that’s why he will rue the day.
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Post by beesknee5 on May 28, 2018 9:59:30 GMT
The right decision by the president, as Liga lied to electors. They were on the ballot with the center-right coalition, which they dumped to ally with someone else. This goes against the spirit of the new electoral law and, is as such, a fraud. If Liga wanted to ally to M5S after the election, they should have run alone or with M5S, instead of betraying the coalition they ran with. It’s nothing to do with that, it’s a stitch up to deny the will of the electorate because the ruling elite in Italy, which has misruled that country since 1948, doesn’t support Lega or M5S. That’s why he’s done what he has and that’s why he will rue the day. Which party ran on a manifesto of leaving the euro? I thought they both backed away from this when setting out their plans for the country so to try and leave the Euro on this basis seems wrong. I hope they go back to the polls and include it this time so there is no doubt as to whether this is what the public want.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2018 10:15:28 GMT
It is perfectly possible to consider MS5 a bunch of cranks, and the Lega somewhat dubious, and to still find this business a scandal.
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Post by carlton43 on May 28, 2018 10:15:46 GMT
It’s nothing to do with that, it’s a stitch up to deny the will of the electorate because the ruling elite in Italy, which has misruled that country since 1948, doesn’t support Lega or M5S. That’s why he’s done what he has and that’s why he will rue the day. Which party ran on a manifesto of leaving the euro? I thought they both backed away from this when setting out their plans for the country so to try and leave the Euro on this basis seems wrong. I hope they go back to the polls and include it this time so there is no doubt as to whether this is what the public want. Leaving the EU or even just a return to the lire would be the making of Italy. It has stalled ever since it joined seeing industry after industry falter and fail. Then with the euro the rot really set in and it has been downhill all the time from that moment. Italy needs an economy with a depreciating currency. Hard currencies do it in.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 10:25:35 GMT
Looks like you won. The EU might well be rubbing their hands with glee.....but they really shouldn't be. Whether or not they had any involvement in this I couldn't say for sure, but they are going to get the blame one way or another and the people will have their revenge
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2018 10:26:08 GMT
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Post by beesknee5 on May 28, 2018 10:26:18 GMT
Which party ran on a manifesto of leaving the euro? I thought they both backed away from this when setting out their plans for the country so to try and leave the Euro on this basis seems wrong. I hope they go back to the polls and include it this time so there is no doubt as to whether this is what the public want. Leaving the EU or even just a return to the lire would be the making of Italy. It has stalled ever since it joined seeing industry after industry falter and fail. Then with the euro the rot really set in and it has been downhill all the time from that moment. Italy needs an economy with a depreciating currency. Hard currencies do it in. I'd argue Italy's troubles started long before the euro. If they leave the Euro they will have nothing to service their debts and so the new currency will almost immediately default. The damage this would do to the Italian economy would take a long time to recover so I disagree. They shouldn't have gone into the Euro is an argument but now they are in the route out will be very painful, and not just for Italy.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2018 10:26:55 GMT
Looks like you won. The EU might well be rubbing their hands with glee.....but they really shouldn't be. Whether or not they had any involvement in this I couldn't say for sure, but they are going to get the blame one way or another and the people will have their revenge The leader of MS5 isn't called Di Maio for nothing!
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