Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 4, 2012 23:10:20 GMT
just to assuage the withdrawal symptoms I can exclusivly reveal the result of the Baildon East by-election (Baildon Parish Council, Bradford Met) Ian Lyons (lib dem) 294 Kilyon (ind) 142 Terry (Ind) 108 vacancy caused by a resignation, I don't know the circumstances but it is suggested that the member hadn't realised what was involved in the role. There was some controversy over the election as some felt this democracy thing was a bit expensive and it would be better if all the candidates stood down and let the Parish council decide who should fill the vacancy. Ian who was our (nearly) succesful,candidate in the baildon Met ward in May declined this kind offer and took some stick as a result. It is also notable that he stood as a Lib Dem rather than pretending to be independant. This was seen as unfair by at least one of the electors I came accross, who clearly has an odd idea of the popularity of the lib dem brand  |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 4, 2012 23:16:33 GMT
There is a thread for 4th October elections (even though it is, indeed, only town/parish ones tonight) down the page |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 4, 2012 23:18:21 GMT
Indeed there is and no mention on it of this byelection in Baildon so this has come as a complete revelation when we were all waiting with baited breath for the result from Wokingham
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 4, 2012 23:25:11 GMT
Sorry about that guys, I failed to look far enough down page - oops
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 4, 2012 23:28:32 GMT
But then the unexpected pleasure is the sweetest
sorry I cant give you a turnout
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 5, 2012 7:36:12 GMT
Meanwhile in Wokingham the result was Con 353 LD 265.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 5, 2012 8:24:13 GMT
it is suggested that the member hadn't realised what was involved in the role. Not so long ago a BNP councillor somewhere was disqualified for six-months' non-attendance at council meetings. His excuse was that he "didn't realise" that he was supposed to go to council meetings. When I was researching my university dissertation on electoral systems, I came across a book from about 1910 (ish) in which the author stated that voters considered it natural and logical that there should be two candidates in an election, and that they would get offended and confused if there were three or more. When I was looking up old local election results from Croydon in the period of 1880s to 1900s, someone in the local newspaper wrote that the voters would be offended by (the cost of) a contested election, and that it was best if the incumbent councillors were re-elected unopposed. |
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Post by Tim13 on Oct 5, 2012 13:01:11 GMT
Still waiting for the Cotgrave result!
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Post by marksenior on Oct 5, 2012 13:34:06 GMT
Still waiting for the Cotgrave result! Lab 377 Con 223 No Desc 54 No Desc 47 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 13:52:49 GMT
When I was looking up old local election results from Croydon in the period of 1880s to 1900s, someone in the local newspaper wrote that the voters would be offended by (the cost of) a contested election, and that it was best if the incumbent councillors were re-elected unopposed. Any similarity between the name of the letter writer, & the name of a defending councillor ? ...... although personally I can see a great deal of merit in such a scheme .... councillor-for-life has a certain ring to it .... ;D |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 6, 2012 9:24:03 GMT
When I was looking up old local election results from Croydon in the period of 1880s to 1900s, someone in the local newspaper wrote that the voters would be offended by (the cost of) a contested election, and that it was best if the incumbent councillors were re-elected unopposed. Any similarity between the name of the letter writer, & the name of a defending councillor ? If I remember correctly, it was an editorial comment about the borough elections generally. I think that it was in 1900 that one candidate stood in all six wards simultaneously, thereby making them all contested elections. |
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Post by nord on Oct 8, 2012 15:08:44 GMT
Not so long ago a BNP councillor somewhere was disqualified for six-months' non-attendance at council meetings. His excuse was that he "didn't realise" that he was supposed to go to council meetings. I wonder what he thought he was supposed to do? Meetings held involving Lib-Lab-Con are always hostile against the BNP, which is why most BNP councillors set up their own offices or meeting locations, and work alone. When Barnbrook was elected to the GLA, Borris and numerous others when a meeting was held, faced their chairs away from him when he spoke. There is no incentive for an elected BNP member (at any level) to socialise with the main three parties. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 8, 2012 15:30:06 GMT
I wonder what he thought he was supposed to do? Meetings held involving Lib-Lab-Con are always hostile against the BNP, which is why most BNP councillors set up their own offices or meeting locations, and work alone. When Barnbrook was elected to the GLA, Borris and numerous others when a meeting was held, faced their chairs away from him when he spoke. There is no incentive for an elected BNP member (at any level) to socialise with the main three parties. Considering that the second-largest part of a Cllr's role (after casework) is to represent his or her constituents on full council and committee meetings, your argument suggests that any British nationalist councillor is automatically unsuitable for the role, being unable to represent their constituents effectively. |
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Post by erlend on Oct 8, 2012 17:05:18 GMT
I think that Kris's view would be unfortunate consequence if we let existing members have in effect a veto on a newcomer.
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Post by nord on Oct 8, 2012 18:20:24 GMT
Meetings held involving Lib-Lab-Con are always hostile against the BNP, which is why most BNP councillors set up their own offices or meeting locations, and work alone. When Barnbrook was elected to the GLA, Borris and numerous others when a meeting was held, faced their chairs away from him when he spoke. There is no incentive for an elected BNP member (at any level) to socialise with the main three parties. Considering that the second-largest part of a Cllr's role (after casework) is to represent his or her constituents on full council and committee meetings, your argument suggests that any British nationalist councillor is automatically unsuitable for the role, being unable to represent their constituents effectively. Individual councillors hold no power. It is the full council that is responsible for all the decisions made. That is why the whole system is flawed. Anything a BNP councillor proposes will be rejected, even if they do turn up to a meeting, the councillor majorities from Lib-Lab-Con don't listen to them. The only exception was in Barking, where the BNP from 2006-2010 held enough councillors (12) to have minimal impact on making decisions because they formed a large enough councillor opposition to Labour. However even this wasn't enough to change hardly anything. To implement change the BNP, or a party not of the main 3 would need to run the entire council, or the vast majority of it. There are 51 council seats in Barking, the BNP needed at least 3 times their amount. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 8, 2012 19:17:14 GMT
Individual councillors hold no power. It is the full council that is responsible for all the decisions made. That is why the whole system is flawed. Anything a BNP councillor proposes will be rejected, even if they do turn up to a meeting, the councillor majorities from Lib-Lab-Con don't listen to them. The only exception was in Barking, where the BNP from 2006-2010 held enough councillors (12) to have minimal impact on making decisions because they formed a large enough councillor opposition to Labour. However even this wasn't enough to change hardly anything. To implement change the BNP, or a party not of the main 3 would need to run the entire council, or the vast majority of it. There are 51 council seats in Barking, the BNP needed at least 3 times their amount. This isn't really the case. For starters, your maths is off. The BNP has 12 councillors. To control Barking they would have needed 26. That isn't three times. But in addition, it is possible to have influence without having the votes to implement your entire agenda. It's unlikely that a BNP amendment would be accepted by full council, but on a committee even the most tribal councils will sometimes accept amendments from councillors in minority parties, simply because it's a suggestion that makes sense and doesn't conflict with the position of the ruling group. So a BNP councillor's comments on, for example, the best places to target housing improvements in his or her ward would be unlikely to be ignored entirely. Their comments on immigration, yes, or on banning translation services, but that's because the first isn't a local government responsibility and the second isn't legal. |
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Post by listener on Oct 20, 2012 23:34:50 GMT
The political contest in the Baildon East parish by-election came as something of a surprise, because the parish elections had previously been non-political. The successful candidate challenged hard to win the Baildon city council seat in 2012.
Baildon Urban District Council was absorbed into the City of Bradford in 1974 and a successor parish was not established.
Baildon parish was created in 2007 out of a previously unparished area of the City of Bradford. The first election of the parish council took place on 3 May 2007. There is an excellent account of the formation of the new parish and of the first election and first council on Wikipedia.
Baildon Parish Council comprises 12 members, elected from each of six wards as follows – East (2), North (2), South (2), South East (2), South West (2) and West (2).
The council strengths were:
Elections on 3 May 2007: No Description 8, Independent 1, Baildon Resident 1, Vacant 2 (the vacancies were filled by co-option)
Only two wards were contested and there were no candidates at all in South West ward.
Elections on 5 May 2011: No Description 9, Independent 1, Vacant 2 (the vacancies were filled by co-option)
Only one ward was contested
Although all the candidates were non-political in 2011, they included two of the three Conservative councillors representing Baildon ward on Bradford City Council. One of the co-opted councilors had been an unsuccessful Lib Dem candidate in Baildon ward in 2011.
Since the 2011 elections, two councilors (from North and West wards) have resigned and have been replaced by co-opted councillors.
The result in East ward on 3 May 2007 was:
No Description 552, Baildon Resident 488, Independent 344
Elected: No Description 1, Baildon Resident 1
The result in East ward on 5 May 2011 was:
2 No Description unopposed.
The by-election on 4 October 2012 was caused by the resignation of Michael Haley (No Description).
The by-election result recorded above appears to reflect the first political candidate standing for Baildon Parish Council. The successful candidate had contested the Baildon ward unsuccessfully in the 2012 Bradford City Council elections.
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