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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 8, 2017 19:18:37 GMT
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Post by neilm on Mar 8, 2017 20:53:57 GMT
Splitters!!
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Post by thirdchill on Mar 8, 2017 21:17:57 GMT
They make it sound as though tusc were actually making such an impact that they were preventing labour wins by their presence. One look at tusc's derisory vote across the board shows that to be far from the truth. The swp supporting labour is a bigger worry for labour than anything tusc can do. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 17, 2017 23:08:35 GMT
As if this is newsworthy. People should know by now never to get involved with the SWP cult.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 18, 2017 10:10:29 GMT
As if this is newsworthy. People should know by now never to get involved with the SWP cult. It's newsworthy in the sense that attempts by said cult to take over organisations or set up fronts should be publicised. Especially when they fail! |
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Post by neilm on Mar 18, 2017 10:15:57 GMT
What happened to all the STWC money?
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 18, 2017 14:53:29 GMT
What happened to all the STWC money? It went into the war chest? |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 18, 2017 19:30:52 GMT
As if this is newsworthy. People should know by now never to get involved with the SWP cult. It's newsworthy in the sense that attempts by said cult to take over organisations or set up fronts should be publicised. Especially when they fail! TUSC is/was never an SWP front, and they were never that interested in it really. It is/was an alliance between the Socialist Party and parts of the RMT leadership in the main. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 18, 2017 22:23:14 GMT
TUSC is/was never an SWP front, and they were never that interested in it really. It is/was an alliance between the Socialist Party and parts of the RMT leadership in the main. Is that the of Great Britain or the of England and Wales or some other version of the Socialist Party? it's the Socialist party formerly the Militant Tendency, formerly the Revoloutionary Socialist League (although it has never stopped being either of those things). |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 18, 2017 23:53:24 GMT
Is that the of Great Britain or the of England and Wales or some other version of the Socialist Party? it's the Socialist party formerly the Militant Tendency, formerly the Revoloutionary Socialist League (although it has never stopped being either of those things). Ironically, the Socialist Party have actually lost support since they adopted the TUSC branding. At the first local election where they adopted that branding, Dave Nellist's vote dropped from 1469 (43.4%) to 974 (29.7%). Though the fact that the first of those two elections was when he lost his council seat may have been a slightly bigger factor in his plummeting vote share. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 19, 2017 10:54:51 GMT
it's the Socialist party formerly the Militant Tendency, formerly the Revoloutionary Socialist League (although it has never stopped being either of those things). Ironically, the Socialist Party have actually lost support since they adopted the TUSC branding. At the first local election where they adopted that branding, Dave Nellist's vote dropped from 1469 (43.4%) to 974 (29.7%). Though the fact that the first of those two elections was when he lost his council seat may have been a slightly bigger factor in his plummeting vote share. I think him losing his seat was relevant, but the far-left really doesn't understand the idea of consistent work under a single banner. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 19, 2017 11:06:13 GMT
Ironically, the Socialist Party have actually lost support since they adopted the TUSC branding. At the first local election where they adopted that branding, Dave Nellist's vote dropped from 1469 (43.4%) to 974 (29.7%). Though the fact that the first of those two elections was when he lost his council seat may have been a slightly bigger factor in his plummeting vote share. I think him losing his seat was relevant, but the far-left really doesn't understand the idea of consistent work under a single banner. it's the inevitable consequence of wanting to control whatever is going on while not really wanting people to know who you are. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 20, 2017 10:52:10 GMT
And there are very few members of the SWP and locally we all know who they are. They do usually call for a Labour vote on class grounds and they are very diligent on attending demos and getting involved in single issue campaigns. Some of them are nice people but their organisation is quasi religious - they see themselves as 'knowing the truth'
However they don't practice infiltration. Their aim is to recruit people via the single issue organisations.
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 20, 2017 14:37:53 GMT
And there are very few members of the SWP and locally we all know who they are. They do usually call for a Labour vote on class grounds and they are very diligent on attending demos and getting involved in single issue campaigns. Some of them are nice people but their organisation is quasi religious - they see themselves as 'knowing the truth' However they don't practice infiltration. Their aim is to recruit people via the single issue organisations. Recruitment isn't really the primary aim of the single-issue fronts, the SWP are notorious for boosting their membership numbers in various ludicrous ways, but they don't really expect much in the way of subs from individual members. The purpose of the fronts is to provide salaries for central committee members. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 20, 2017 14:42:44 GMT
And there are very few members of the SWP and locally we all know who they are. They do usually call for a Labour vote on class grounds and they are very diligent on attending demos and getting involved in single issue campaigns. Some of them are nice people but their organisation is quasi religious - they see themselves as 'knowing the truth' However they don't practice infiltration. Their aim is to recruit people via the single issue organisations. Recruitment isn't really the primary aim of the single-issue fronts, the SWP are notorious for boosting their membership numbers in various ludicrous ways, but they don't really expect much in the way of subs from individual members. The purpose of the fronts is to provide salaries for central committee members. Indeed! They are used to maintain their profile, though, as is turning up at every demo irrespective of whether they are welcome or not |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 20, 2017 14:51:22 GMT
Recruitment isn't really the primary aim of the single-issue fronts, the SWP are notorious for boosting their membership numbers in various ludicrous ways, but they don't really expect much in the way of subs from individual members. The purpose of the fronts is to provide salaries for central committee members. Indeed! They are used to maintain their profile, though, as is turning up at every demo irrespective of whether they are welcome or not Fortunately, they seem to be quite seriously wounded as an organisation. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 20, 2017 14:54:34 GMT
Indeed! They are used to maintain their profile, though, as is turning up at every demo irrespective of whether they are welcome or not Fortunately, they seem to be quite seriously wounded as an organisation. They have always been very over-hyped in terms of their influence. Even groups which have been called fronts for them often weren't in reality. Like a lot of people who have a quasi religious approach to politics they are very willing to see life as one long meeting with occasional breaks for a fundraiser. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 20, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
Fortunately, they seem to be quite seriously wounded as an organisation. They have always been very over-hyped in terms of their influence. Even groups which have been called fronts for them often weren't in reality. Like a lot of people who have a quasi religious approach to politics they are very willing to see life as one long meeting with occasional breaks for a fundraiser. I agree. Most of the over-hyping of their influence comes from the SWP itself of course! |
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Post by right on Mar 30, 2017 8:41:19 GMT
Are there any forum members who were ever members of the SWP or other Trotskyite groups for that matter?
Constituency Labour Parties used to be chock full of ex-Trots but I've not seen any reminiscences about the old days on here.
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 30, 2017 10:07:04 GMT
Are there any forum members who were ever members of the SWP or other Trotskyite groups for that matter? Constituency Labour Parties used to be chock full of ex-Trots but I've not seen any reminiscences about the old days on here. I was a member of the Socialist Party (England and Wales) for about 8 years. It was mostly quite dull, actually. |
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