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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 14, 2018 15:37:39 GMT
Time is running out. I think both Biden and Sanders are probably too old but there's no-one actually coming forward from the Democratic side There's a surprising paucity of talent on the American political stage right now. Which is quite disturbing. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 14, 2018 16:21:23 GMT
Just like here, then.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 14, 2018 16:58:38 GMT
Time is running out. I think both Biden and Sanders are probably too old but there's no-one actually coming forward from the Democratic side There's a surprising paucity of talent on the American political stage right now. Which is quite disturbing. Given the dominance of political dynasties it's not surprising. And anyone needs so much money to even mount a challenge now. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 14, 2018 17:37:50 GMT
There's a surprising paucity of talent on the American political stage right now. Which is quite disturbing. Given the dominance of political dynasties it's not surprising. And anyone needs so much money to even mount a challenge now. It's the presidential system, methinks that is the problem. Or at least, a big part of it. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 14, 2018 17:40:28 GMT
Time is running out. I think both Biden and Sanders are probably too old but there's no-one actually coming forward from the Democratic side There's a surprising paucity of talent on the American political stage right now. Which is quite disturbing. I think it's time to get back to the governors or the safe pair of hands. There's some decent governors and safe pairs of hands on both sides but post Trump (whether he's the Republican candidate or not I see little chance of a second term) I think that's what might go down well. On the Republican side though no moderate will win their nomination because their primary electorate is so fucked up, on the Democrat side there needs to be a healthy contest where the cream rises to the top preferably without the likes of Winfrey or Zuckerberg muddying the waters. It could well be more of an outsider who would come to the fore in that kind of contest. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 14, 2018 18:33:10 GMT
Given how obsessed they are with military service, maybe a second attempt by Wesley Clarke?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 14, 2018 20:26:58 GMT
Given how obsessed they are with military service, maybe a second attempt by Wesley Clarke? Or maybe not anymore, given that they have elected a dubious draft deferee. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 14, 2018 22:35:55 GMT
Given how obsessed they are with military service, maybe a second attempt by Wesley Clarke? He was named in the Panama Papers. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 15, 2018 0:01:54 GMT
Given how obsessed they are with military service, maybe a second attempt by Wesley Clarke? He was named in the Panama Papers. I didn't realise. Possibly an issue for a Democrat. I'd be more inclined to vote for him on that basis but I can't see anyone Feeling The Bern supporting him. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 15, 2018 0:27:20 GMT
There's a surprising paucity of talent on the American political stage right now. Which is quite disturbing. I think it's time to get back to the governors or the safe pair of hands. There's some decent governors and safe pairs of hands on both sides but post Trump (whether he's the Republican candidate or not I see little chance of a second term) I think that's what might go down well. On the Republican side though no moderate will win their nomination because their primary electorate is so fucked up, on the Democrat side there needs to be a healthy contest where the cream rises to the top preferably without the likes of Winfrey or Zuckerberg muddying the waters. It could well be more of an outsider who would come to the fore in that kind of contest. It's going to come down to two things. 1. Can they get the backing? 2. Do they actually want to do it? So far none of the possibles appear to want to do so |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 15, 2018 0:55:12 GMT
I think it's time to get back to the governors or the safe pair of hands. There's some decent governors and safe pairs of hands on both sides but post Trump (whether he's the Republican candidate or not I see little chance of a second term) I think that's what might go down well. On the Republican side though no moderate will win their nomination because their primary electorate is so fucked up, on the Democrat side there needs to be a healthy contest where the cream rises to the top preferably without the likes of Winfrey or Zuckerberg muddying the waters. It could well be more of an outsider who would come to the fore in that kind of contest. It's going to come down to two things. 1. Can they get the backing? 2. Do they actually want to do it? So far none of the possibles appear to want to do so In a fractured primary with the money being pretty split the first point might not been too much of an issue. The second is much more salient and I would hope that some of the more successful governors (or representatives even with the senate caucus not looking like a great resource with rather flawed candidates seemingly the only ones interested) might stick their hat in the ring. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 15, 2018 2:48:13 GMT
I think it's time to get back to the governors or the safe pair of hands. There's some decent governors and safe pairs of hands on both sides but post Trump (whether he's the Republican candidate or not I see little chance of a second term) I think that's what might go down well. On the Republican side though no moderate will win their nomination because their primary electorate is so fucked up, on the Democrat side there needs to be a healthy contest where the cream rises to the top preferably without the likes of Winfrey or Zuckerberg muddying the waters. It could well be more of an outsider who would come to the fore in that kind of contest. It's going to come down to two things. 1. Can they get the backing? 2. Do they actually want to do it? So far none of the possibles appear to want to do so Everyone in politics wants to do it. The issue is that the usual suspects have ambition with no talent and, simultaneously, want to make a mark. Also, really, you think the cream will rise to the top? |
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Post by maxque on Jan 15, 2018 2:50:14 GMT
It's going to come down to two things. 1. Can they get the backing? 2. Do they actually want to do it? So far none of the possibles appear to want to do so Everyone in politics wants to do it. The issue is that the usual suspects have ambition with no talent and, simultaneously, want to make a mark. Also, really, you think the cream will rise to the top? Perhaps. This is the most open Democratic nomination since 1992, it seems. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 15, 2018 9:45:35 GMT
It's going to come down to two things. 1. Can they get the backing? 2. Do they actually want to do it? So far none of the possibles appear to want to do so The issue is that the usual suspects have ambition with no talent and, simultaneously, want to make a mark. Also, really, you think the cream will rise to the top? the most recent republican race would suggest otherwise, which is a big part of the reason that Trump won. even some of those who stood didn't seem to want to win much. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 15, 2018 13:22:36 GMT
Everyone in politics wants to do it. The issue is that the usual suspects have ambition with no talent and, simultaneously, want to make a mark. Also, really, you think the cream will rise to the top? the most recent republican race would suggest otherwise, which is a big part of the reason that Trump won. even some of those who stood didn't seem to want to win much. The Republican primary selectorate is dire though and you have to tack to the worst common denominator to win because the crazies make up a huge chunk of the voters. For all the Dems problems their primary voters are a pretty broad church and you have to appeal across the board to become the candidate, especially in key primary states. In a competitive primary race that bodes well for sorting the wheat from the chaff (unless as I said above someone with megabucks muscles in). |
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Post by john07 on Jan 15, 2018 14:50:57 GMT
Given how obsessed they are with military service, maybe a second attempt by Wesley Clarke? Or maybe not anymore, given that they have elected a dubious draft deferee. As they did with Dubya. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 15, 2018 15:14:06 GMT
Or maybe not anymore, given that they have elected a dubious draft deferee. As they did with Dubya. Mind you, at least he went into the Guard, rather than claiming a medical exemption whilst sniffing around a professional baseball career. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:22:51 GMT
Mind you, at least he went into the Guard, rather than claiming a medical exemption whilst sniffing around a professional baseball career. Dubya didn't appear to do much worthwhile when he was in the guard, kinda sums up his later presidency. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 15, 2018 20:32:50 GMT
I have just put £5 on Hickenlooper for POTUS 2020. 66/1 - same as George Clooney!
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Post by johnloony on Jan 17, 2018 2:29:58 GMT
On Monday, on one of the TV news programmes (I can't remember which) someone said that there was a 33% chance that Trump would be removed by impeachment, 33% that he would be removed by the 25th amendment (or resignation under threat thereof), and 33% chance that he would stumble on to finish his 4-year term... but 0% chance that he would be re-elected for a 2nd term.
Later on the same day, Panorama revealed that Trump still has the overwhelming support of his voters,and that they overwhelmingly think he is doing a good job in the economy and foreign affairs.
Thus illustrates the gulf between the two parties, and the wildly different perspectives of what they think is likely to happen. The reality is that Trump will only be impeached (regardless of what crimes he may actually have committed) if he loses a large amount of support in Congress on his own side. Being a rubbish President, or corrupt, or offensive, or racist, or booliakterous, is not enough.
On balance, I still think that he will probably be re-elected in 2020. The biggest factor to ensure it happening may well be still the attitude of the Democratic Party - even the thought of selecting someone like Oprah Winfrey or Mark Zuckerberg would be as catastrophic as selecting Hillary Clinton was, and would show that they just haven't learnt to break out from their élite coastal bubble.
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