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Post by Izzyeviel on Jul 23, 2019 13:40:42 GMT
So, he's clearly targeting Minnesota, and we know he sacked his pollsters because he didn't believe their bad numbers.
Who are his new pollsters & what are they telling him?
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 23, 2019 13:57:24 GMT
So, he's clearly targeting Minnesota, and we know he sacked his pollsters because he didn't believe their bad numbers. Who are his new pollsters & what are they telling him? I think I read where he’d only sacked one of three polling companies he used, and he’d actually inherited this particular firm from one of the other campaigns (Cruz possibly?). His main polling company is one set up by Kellyanne Conway, who remains part of the White House inner sanctum. I don’t suppose he can realistically use that attack against either AOC or Pressley as even he’s not delusional enough to think he can win New York or Massachusetts, but to hammer Omar and Tlaib at least gives the impression of defending Michigan and putting Minnesota into play. There’s a pretty good New York Times piece from Lake Huron, Michigan, on the impact of his remarks in a solidly Trump county today behind their paywall. If people have access and would like me to post the link just let me know.
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jul 23, 2019 14:49:11 GMT
So, he's clearly targeting Minnesota, and we know he sacked his pollsters because he didn't believe their bad numbers. Who are his new pollsters & what are they telling him? I think I read where he’d only sacked one of three polling companies he used, and he’d actually inherited this particular firm from one of the other campaigns (Cruz possibly?). His main polling company is one set up by Kellyanne Conway, who remains part of the White House inner sanctum. I don’t suppose he can realistically use that attack against either AOC or Pressley as even he’s not delusional enough to think he can win New York or Massachusetts, but to hammer Omar and Tlaib at least gives the impression of defending Michigan and putting Minnesota into play. There’s a pretty good New York Times piece from Lake Huron, Michigan, on the impact of his remarks in a solidly Trump county today behind their paywall. If people have access and would like me to post the link just let me know. This is the link: linkTLDR: They think he's childish but still love him. One guy feels forced to vote for Trump because one of them said something he felt was mean about Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:04:18 GMT
In 2016 Minnesota voted more Republican than the country for the first time 1952.
This is because the rural parts of the rust belt are starting to vote like the South.
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Post by Richard Allen on Jul 23, 2019 21:14:47 GMT
In 2016 Minnesota voted more Republican than the country for the first time 1952. This is because the rural parts of the rust belt are starting to vote like the South. Then in 2018 the suburbs swung hard to the Democrats.
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Post by jamie on Jul 23, 2019 21:23:47 GMT
That NYTs piece is pretty awful. A poll showed Democrats winning Macomb by 2% which is proof that they are struggling. Reminder that Trump won it by 12% and Obama only by 4% in 2012. A 14% shift from 2016 and almost matching Obama in a WWC County is bad news for Democrats?
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Post by jamie on Jul 23, 2019 21:30:43 GMT
In 2016 Minnesota voted more Republican than the country for the first time 1952. This is because the rural parts of the rust belt are starting to vote like the South. They’re really not. While trending hard to the Republicans (Obama did noticeably poorly there in 2008), pretty much all of Minnesota is quite a way away from voting like their equivalent rural white counterparts in the South. Hillary was getting 10% or less of the white vote in many southern counties. She did much better in Minnesota and it’s simply not culturally right wing enough to reach rural white south levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 9:23:40 GMT
In 2016 Minnesota voted more Republican than the country for the first time 1952. This is because the rural parts of the rust belt are starting to vote like the South. They’re really not. While trending hard to the Republicans (Obama did noticeably poorly there in 2008), pretty much all of Minnesota is quite a way away from voting like their equivalent rural white counterparts in the South. Hillary was getting 10% or less of the white vote in many southern counties. She did much better in Minnesota and it’s simply not culturally right wing enough to reach rural white south levels. Trump was the first candidate of either party to get 70% in a county since 1968. He came close to this in a few other counties too. Certainly a feat.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 24, 2019 9:53:23 GMT
The Senate result in 2018 suggested that the suburbs are shifting towards the Democrats, though.
Minnesota is interesting because the Democrats tend towards the left of the party and there has always been a formal link with organised labour via its identity as the Democratic Farmer Labor party in the state.
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Post by nelson on Aug 4, 2019 13:04:53 GMT
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Post by Izzyeviel on Aug 5, 2019 20:21:55 GMT
I wonder if any Democrat will do a Trump & say lots of stupid/racist/controversial things to get free airtime. I'm sure I read somewhere for his rants Trump managed to receive 2 billion in free advertising. (I mean actual serious candidates not Marianne Williamson)
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Post by mondialito on Aug 5, 2019 22:08:52 GMT
I wonder if any Democrat will do a Trump & say lots of stupid/racist/controversial things to get free airtime. I'm sure I read somewhere for his rants Trump managed to receive 2 billion in free advertising. (I mean actual serious candidates not Marianne Williamson) I don't think so, Democrats always bring feather dusters to gun fights. Williamson probably could do it through her kookiness though, she gained the most followers on Twitter following the latest debates.
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Post by mboy on Aug 6, 2019 10:33:16 GMT
Trump condemns White Supremacy by name for the first time ever: “US mass shootings: Trump condemns racism and white supremacy” www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49240310In the other mass killing, an unexpected twist:
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 6, 2019 10:40:15 GMT
There is evidence that the Dayton shooter had incel/anti-women leanings, whilst such people are normally right wing this is not universally the case.
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Post by mboy on Aug 6, 2019 12:58:51 GMT
There is evidence that the Dayton shooter had incel/anti-women leanings, whilst such people are normally right wing this is not universally the case. Indeed. I think violent misogynistic loons will gravitate towards any ideology that facilitates/condones their desire to act out violence. This is why *all* ideologies that justify violence on the streets are dangerous.
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 6, 2019 13:39:38 GMT
There is evidence that the Dayton shooter had incel/anti-women leanings, whilst such people are normally right wing this is not universally the case. Indeed. I think violent misogynistic loons will gravitate towards any ideology that facilitates/condones their desire to act out violence. This is why *all* ideologies that justify violence on the streets are dangerous. Just about any 'ideology' might justify this at one time or another, to varying degrees - whether that be the liberals in Hong Kong, the anti-apartheid protestors of the ANC, or white supremacists. It depends on where the line of 'violence' is drawn and what it includes.
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Post by London Lad on Aug 6, 2019 13:54:06 GMT
There is evidence that the Dayton shooter had incel/anti-women leanings, whilst such people are normally right wing this is not universally the case. He is a self declared socialist - although in the US that probably makes him a Tony Blair supporter..
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Post by jamie on Aug 6, 2019 17:57:17 GMT
The Dayton shooter seems more batshit and takes a lot of extreme views from the left and right.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 9, 2019 13:30:35 GMT
This on top of a long line of mistakes to date I don't think Biden is going to win anymore. Despite his poll lead. bit.ly/2GZodTA
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 9, 2019 14:20:58 GMT
This on top of a long line of mistakes to date I don't think Biden is going to win anymore. Despite his poll lead. bit.ly/2GZodTAI agree. As others drop out I don't see many transferring to him. I hope that's the case. I think he would be a disastrous candidate
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