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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 4, 2019 8:51:46 GMT
You lot aren't Avengers fans. Smh In other news. Look at Bet-oh go. And now for a friendly reminder that never mind the polls being accurate/inaccurate and not a prediction of the final result (and so on), with the US electoral system being what it is, just because one may be leading in the popular vote it does not mean victory is assured anyway...
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Post by The Bishop on May 4, 2019 10:11:19 GMT
I don't buy the view that many others have that he'll simply crash and burn. Biden now has the gravitas of being an ex-vice president (and a fairly popular one at that), whereas in his previous two runs he was simply a vaguely likeable and somewhat gaffe-prone senator from one of the smallest states in the union. There is the age thing though (and of course this also applies to Sanders)
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Post by timmullen1 on May 4, 2019 12:42:56 GMT
I don't buy the view that many others have that he'll simply crash and burn. Biden now has the gravitas of being an ex-vice president (and a fairly popular one at that), whereas in his previous two runs he was simply a vaguely likeable and somewhat gaffe-prone senator from one of the smallest states in the union. There is the age thing though (and of course this also applies to Sanders) I think that’s going to be a big factor, but I don’t think it’ll be the negative it was for people like Bob Dole or John McCain where they were running against much younger candidates who could promote a distinct contrast.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 4, 2019 12:45:30 GMT
There is the age thing though (and of course this also applies to Sanders) I think that’s going to be a big factor, but I don’t think it’ll be the negative it was for people like Bob Dole or John McCain where they were running against much younger candidates who could promote a distinct contrast. Sanders and Biden are both probably in much better health than Trump is, too.
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Post by Vibe on May 4, 2019 14:12:33 GMT
I think that’s going to be a big factor, but I don’t think it’ll be the negative it was for people like Bob Dole or John McCain where they were running against much younger candidates who could promote a distinct contrast. Sanders and Biden are both probably in much better health than Trump is, too. Sanders certainly looks in good health.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on May 4, 2019 16:48:26 GMT
Actually coming across as 'old' (i.e. having visibly poor health and so on) is more of an issue than actual age. Had McCain not had a relatively poor health history going into his 2008 campaign then he might have done better, although he perhaps entered the race expecting to face Hillary Clinton (someone closer to him in years). On the other hand, Reagan came across as sharp and energetic - which is somewhat ironic given that we now know that he may well have developed the first stages of Alzheimer's during his presidency - and thus did electorally well (although there were of course other factors for his successes too).
Incidentally, I appear to be getting links to Mike Gravel's 'rock' ad below this thread.
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Post by casualobserver on May 9, 2019 1:32:18 GMT
I don't accept the "age thing" as being a serious impediment.
What all Dems should be wary of is Tump's continued good polling on economic competence. It's still the economy, stoopid!
Biden or, even worse, Warren would be eaten alive by Trump on the issue of creating/saving jobs.
It's not Biden's age that will hold him back - it's that he won't be perceived as "fresh", particularly on the economy.
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Post by mrpastelito on May 9, 2019 7:57:29 GMT
I'm for a Biden-Sanders ticket to promote diversity and to finally put an end to old white men hegemony.
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Post by nelson on May 9, 2019 8:15:30 GMT
I'm for a Biden-Sanders ticket to promote diversity and to finally put an end to old white men hegemony. As old white men tickets go this is actually fairly diverse with the second Catholic president and first Jewish VP, but it would be better with Sanders on top so you get a "first" for president.
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Post by mrpastelito on May 9, 2019 9:26:41 GMT
I'm for a Biden-Sanders ticket to promote diversity and to finally put an end to old white men hegemony. As old white men tickets go this is actually fairly diverse with the second Catholic president and first Jewish VP, but it would be better with Sanders on top so you get a "first" for president.
Don't think Biden wants to spend another 8 years as VP - but Sanders could succeed him in 2028, he'd still only be 87 years old.
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Post by curiousliberal on May 9, 2019 9:58:10 GMT
As old white men tickets go this is actually fairly diverse with the second Catholic president and first Jewish VP, but it would be better with Sanders on top so you get a "first" for president.
Don't think Biden wants to spend another 8 years as VP - but Sanders could succeed him in 2028, he'd still only be 87 years old.
You joke, but Mike Gravel is in the running at 88.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 9, 2019 10:41:38 GMT
Don't think Biden wants to spend another 8 years as VP - but Sanders could succeed him in 2028, he'd still only be 87 years old.
You joke, but Mike Gravel is in the running at 88. “Running” maybe more accurate; “In the running” may be a tiny exaggeration as he’s not broken 1% in an opinion poll yet according to the Washington Post’s debate qualification chart.
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Post by curiousliberal on May 9, 2019 11:47:08 GMT
You joke, but Mike Gravel is in the running at 88. “Running” maybe more accurate; “In the running” may be a tiny exaggeration as he’s not broken 1% in an opinion poll yet according to the Washington Post’s debate qualification chart. I can confirm he is building up quite the fanbase in young-ish socialist circles, so expect to see those numbers improve with time. It’s a bit like the start of Bernie’s original run, tbh.
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Post by mboy on May 9, 2019 11:54:10 GMT
Surely Biden can pick a next-gen VP to counter this, with the assumption that he'll bow out after one term. Kemala Harris would be a good choice there.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 9, 2019 12:06:40 GMT
Surely Biden can pick a next-gen VP to counter this, with the assumption that he'll bow out after one term. Kemala Harris would be a good choice there. That’s already doing the rounds, although depending on who you read you can substitute Booker or Buttigieg for Harris.
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Post by johnloony on May 9, 2019 14:42:21 GMT
They should select Virginia McLaurin And Roberta McCain should be VP
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Post by mboy on May 16, 2019 12:36:10 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 16, 2019 14:09:08 GMT
Di Blasio enters the race.
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Post by curiousliberal on May 16, 2019 14:16:31 GMT
Di Blasio enters the race. And only a couple of days after Bullock. They all want to be 'the one' to beat Trump, and yet with a field this crowded, they're probably set to pick a candidate just as abrasive, populist and free of nuance.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 16, 2019 15:49:58 GMT
Di Blasio enters the race. And only a couple of days after Bullock. They all want to be 'the one' to beat Trump, and yet with a field this crowded, they're probably set to pick a candidate just as abrasive, populist and free of nuance. Realistically it’s highly likely there’ll be a pretty sizeable post-Iowa cull and probably another sometime after South Carolina/Nevada.
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