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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 20, 2017 22:24:48 GMT
Oh bugger! I'm with Twaddleford on this. I think Labour will cling on some how?by getting more votes?  Its a cunning plan, but it might just work. And, who knows? If it does the idea might become popular with the party's strategists. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 20, 2017 22:27:40 GMT
Oh. My. God. Is this real? It is. Can you arrange a coachload to go canvassing at the weekend?  |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 20, 2017 22:28:31 GMT
by getting more votes? Its a cunning plan, but it might just work. And, who knows? If it does the idea might become popular with the party's strategists. As S. Baldrick said, you don't have to do anything until your heads have actually been cut off. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 20, 2017 23:42:53 GMT
I wish to revise my earlier prediction that Labour will hang on. I now know that it is game over and that Trudy Harrison is about to be crowned Queen of Copeland. And how do I know this, you may ask? Well, it is simple really.....the dreaded WORDS have been spoken. The words that usually spell the realisation of impending electoral disaster. Words that Labour candidates always use when they know that the writing is on the wall. Before they use the words Labour candidates have to go to a very dark place. Today when the Labour candidate was asked for her message to the Copeland electorate, she said. "THERE ARE ONLY THREE DAYS LEFT TO SAVE THE NHS" And with those words we know that Labour's campaign is over I hope the Copeland electorate aren't gullible enough to believe this NHS twaddle. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 20, 2017 23:44:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 0:53:23 GMT
I hope the Copeland electorate aren't gullible enough to believe this NHS twaddle. The whole electorate voted plurality Tory at the last election so there is president for voters believing twaddle about the NHS. Bloody republicans.. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 21, 2017 8:03:34 GMT
Is that...real? I'm flabbergasted if so. That's appalling. |
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Post by maxque on Feb 21, 2017 8:07:48 GMT
Is that...real? I'm flabbergasted if so. That's appalling. Also, is that the real cover from the December 8th News and Star? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 8:12:17 GMT
"Emotional appeal" reads irrational appeal to me.
Pretty dirty. I've seen worse though.
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Post by maxque on Feb 21, 2017 8:12:33 GMT
Well, I cannot confirm or infirm that cover, but at that exact time, the newspaper was leading a "SOS - Save Our Services" campaign that was quite blunt with words, so, it's possible they did that.
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Post by john07 on Feb 21, 2017 9:07:33 GMT
except when it isn't (see, for example, 1951, 2000, or 2016). You forgot February 1974 (though admittedly that is a borderline case).  You could also add the Bristol SE by-election in 1961: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_South_East_by-election,_1961 Anthony Wedgwood-Benn (as was) collected nearly 70% of the vote but his Conservative opponent was declared the winner! |
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Post by johnr on Feb 21, 2017 9:42:32 GMT
Well, I cannot confirm or infirm that cover, but at that exact time, the newspaper was leading a "SOS - Save Our Services" campaign that was quite blunt with words, so, it's possible they did that. That is the real cover and headline of the newspaper on that date. |
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Post by right on Feb 21, 2017 10:07:13 GMT
I wish to revise my earlier prediction that Labour will hang on. I now know that it is game over and that Trudy Harrison is about to be crowned Queen of Copeland. And how do I know this, you may ask? Well, it is simple really.....the dreaded WORDS have been spoken. The words that usually spell the realisation of impending electoral disaster. Words that Labour candidates always use when they know that the writing is on the wall. Before they use the words Labour candidates have to go to a very dark place. Today when the Labour candidate was asked for her message to the Copeland electorate, she said. "THERE ARE ONLY THREE DAYS LEFT TO SAVE THE NHS" And with those words we know that Labour's campaign is over It's a highly effective approach. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 10:57:45 GMT
We will see what happens on Thursday, but seems pretty unarguable that it is a pertinent local issue here, not just a boilerplate Labour NHS campaign?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Feb 21, 2017 11:04:33 GMT
You forgot February 1974 (though admittedly that is a borderline case). You could also add the Bristol SE by-election in 1961: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_South_East_by-election,_1961 Anthony Wedgwood-Benn (as was) collected nearly 70% of the vote but his Conservative opponent was declared the winner! And thus precipitating a push for a much needed change to the law. |
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Post by right on Feb 21, 2017 11:07:09 GMT
It's a highly effective approach. No ut isn't. They have been saying it for 30 years and it is the boy who cried wolf. Nobody believes it any more When localised and made to sound plausible it can be very effective. I've been involved in campaigns around this for the Tories, and it worked very well. Geography is the key. Consolidation is no longer as mindlessly opposed as it was 20 years ago as the choice is seen as first class services in a new hospital further away or second class services closer to you. However in isolated areas "further away" could mean 45 minutes away, and so it's often the choice between close by or nowhere. I accept it's localised, but that doesn't mean it won't be highly effective. |
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Post by maxque on Feb 21, 2017 11:34:31 GMT
Isn't threatening voters like that in violation of electoral laws?
Vote for us, or we close your hospital?
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 21, 2017 11:41:16 GMT
If it is then I hope the Tories are paying more attention than they usually do in selecting candidates in Liverpool and ex coal mining seats. I thought one of Labours strengths was superior organisation amoung local activists, how could you be so dopey stupid!! 😱 Isn't it quite possible that message was meant to go out last Thursday, but for some reason didn't and got released yesterday by mistake? Stranger things have happened. |
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Post by right on Feb 21, 2017 12:49:26 GMT
Isn't threatening voters like that in violation of electoral laws? Vote for us, or we close your hospital? Punishment budget? |
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