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Post by iainbhx on Feb 16, 2017 22:38:14 GMT
Germany's Hartz Vier reforms/Agenda 2010. Aren't those more and more unpopular and unlikely to survive an SPD-led government, being widely blamed for making German jobs very precarious? Not really considering it was the SPD who introduced the entire Hartz process. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 22:46:35 GMT
Aren't those more and more unpopular and unlikely to survive an SPD-led government, being widely blamed for making German jobs very precarious? Not really considering it was the SPD who introduced the entire Hartz process. Schulz has said that parts of Hartz IV was a mistake and has had harmful consequences. The most likely would be a partial roll-back. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 23:03:29 GMT
Germany's Hartz Vier reforms/Agenda 2010. while I find out who the fuck he was and wtf he did! OK I'm naked. What now? |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 16, 2017 23:05:18 GMT
Not really considering it was the SPD who introduced the entire Hartz process. Schulz has said that parts of Hartz IV was a mistake and has had harmful consequences. The most likely would be a partial roll-back. It's certainly true that mini-jobs has been a disaster. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 16, 2017 23:20:06 GMT
I hadn't read that thread. My apologies for being rather obtuse. most of the British people love the NHS, honest to god this forum is the only time I've met people that genuinely don't like it I don't think anyone on here dislikes the NHS. They just don't go along with the "perfect NHS that has no faults and is the envy of the world!" shtick. Mostly because it's nonsense. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 16, 2017 23:25:46 GMT
most of the British people love the NHS, honest to god this forum is the only time I've met people that genuinely don't like it I don't think anyone on here dislikes the NHS. They just don't go along with the "perfect NHS that has no faults and is the envy of the world!" shtick. Mostly because it's nonsense. It's the leftwing version of SUPPORT OUR BRAVE TROOPS. |
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Post by londonw5er on Feb 17, 2017 0:35:54 GMT
Well it's only a by-election and it won't really affect very much. It's also "dishonest" for the Tories to claim it will have any impact whatsoever on jobs at Sellafield. It does give people a chance to send some sort of message though and they may want to take advantage of that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 6:51:47 GMT
most of the British people love the NHS, honest to god this forum is the only time I've met people that genuinely don't like it I don't think anyone on here dislikes the NHS. They just don't go along with the "perfect NHS that has no faults and is the envy of the world!" shtick. Mostly because it's nonsense. I work at an NHS trust hospital. It's madness from floor to ceiling, particularly the amount of wasteful spending on stuff which really doesn't matter. It's my first public sector job, and even as a desk monkey I can see the obscene amounts of waste and profligate spending. Our department deals with putting patient records on-line. A specific booklet is 15 pages. Even when fourteen of those pages are blank, they must be retained in full. Tens of thousands of blank pieces of paper retained every year. The reason? "Just in case". |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 17, 2017 7:28:51 GMT
I don't think anyone on here dislikes the NHS. They just don't go along with the "perfect NHS that has no faults and is the envy of the world!" shtick. Mostly because it's nonsense. It's the leftwing version of SUPPORT OUR BRAVE TROOPS. Or in @benjl's case, SPORT ARE TROOPS. |
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Post by neilm on Feb 17, 2017 11:04:50 GMT
Beg to disagree - if Labour hold this seat on the back of a campaign where the future of the local hospital featured prominently, it may send a message? I'm happy to accept that tactics like this could work locally. Depends how long the message is pushed for as well. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 17, 2017 11:22:39 GMT
Well it's only a by-election and it won't really affect very much. It's also "dishonest" for the Tories to claim it will have any impact whatsoever on jobs at Sellafield. It does give people a chance to send some sort of message though and they may want to take advantage of that Indeed, some Tories haven't been shy of pushing the "Jezza wants to put you all out of work" line. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 17, 2017 13:01:21 GMT
Germany's Hartz Vier reforms/Agenda 2010. bare with me while I find out who the fuck he was and wtf he did! Please keep your clothes on. Thank you. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 17, 2017 13:05:39 GMT
It certainly is, but remember what happened to Project Fear when they realised it was the only pro EU message that reverberated and they started overdoing it by promising recessions by Christmas and punishment budgets as well as worrying about new world wars and the end of western civilisation. That was David Cameron, Labour ran a very positive campaign based on protecting 7/10 of workers rights. Cameron lost EU ref as he screwed working class people for 6 years and then realized he needed there votes. Cameron spoke bout economic catastrophe as it worked in 2015 imo, only thing is in a general election he only needed around 35% of the vote. I was telling people from the beginning we would vote to leave, it was a referendum on the class that have been running the country forever much more than immigration (though I accept that was a big factor) So no I don't think it is like project fear as it is a vote on a local candidate not elites and closing a hospital/maternity unit ( its a bit unclear) has much more obvious consequences. Nobody really knew what was going to happen to the economy (and by that I mean will it be bad or very very bad or will we all die) but with the maternity services it has an obvious consequence of meaning women have to travel further on lake district roads to Carlisle, I think local people will make the link. It's not unclear. Unless - perish the thought - somebody has been exaggerating or misleading the electorate. What's the A595 like? Have you driven it? Does it go through the Lake District? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 17, 2017 13:08:29 GMT
Well it's only a by-election and it won't really affect very much. It's also "dishonest" for the Tories to claim it will have any impact whatsoever on jobs at Sellafield. It does give people a chance to send some sort of message though and they may want to take advantage of that Indeed, some Tories haven't been shy of pushing the "Jezza wants to put you all out of work" line.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 17, 2017 18:06:01 GMT
Germany's Hartz Vier reforms/Agenda 2010. bare with me while I find out who the fuck he was and wtf he did! People have been focusing on the 'bare' part of this post (which is the same error denktaslovechild made in the Turkey thread a few hours earlier) and ignoring that benjl seems to think the Agenda 2010 reforms were carried out by someone whose first name was Hartz and surname was Vier.  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 17, 2017 19:25:32 GMT
Tragically Dr Hartz Vier was one of the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre. He was a close personal friend of Paul Nuttall and supervised his successful PhD.
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 17, 2017 19:39:37 GMT
Tragically Dr Hartz Vier was one of the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre. He was a close personal friend of Paul Nuttall and supervised his successful PhD. Dr. rer. pol. - I presume. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 17, 2017 21:40:51 GMT
Tragically Dr Hartz Vier was one of the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre. He was a close personal friend of Paul Nuttall and supervised his successful PhD. As well as playing international football for Lichtenstein. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 22:07:10 GMT
bare with me while I find out who the fuck he was and wtf he did! Please keep your clothes on. Thank you. would beg to differ. |
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Post by La Fontaine on Feb 17, 2017 23:53:59 GMT
The A595 is unpredictable. A couple of weeks ago I travelled from Carlisle to Distington and back quite quickly. On the other hand, I have sometimes been stuck behind a tractor and crawled along for miles. It doesn't go through the Lake District.
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