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Post by overthehill on Nov 26, 2016 12:37:00 GMT
Anyone care to speculate about the consequences / outcome of her (proposed) litigation?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 26, 2016 12:39:31 GMT
Everyone laughs at her. So no real difference then.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 26, 2016 12:40:55 GMT
Waste of time, money and hope that will be unnoticed by most and totally fail in ignominious abject failure.......as it deserves.
Sore loser tosser syndrome!
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Post by lackeroftalent on Nov 26, 2016 12:46:18 GMT
I hope it is a somewhat misguided attempt at garnering coverage for the Green Party.
I fear it is a waste of everyone's time and money and the failure to accept a disappointing result by suggesting that the polls have in some way been rigged is exactly what a lot of people were castigating Trump for (and rightly so) before the election.
It seems unlikely that this will have any impact on future elections either in voter behaviour or the mechanics, unlike the hanging chads debacle which meant the punchcards were done away with to avoid a repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 12:50:15 GMT
Since Wisconsin wont swing the election it is a waste of time and money. If there was a hope of swinging Florida as well, that might be another matter.  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 26, 2016 13:04:13 GMT
I hope it is a somewhat misguided attempt at garnering coverage for the Green Party. At best, it reinforces perceptions that the Green Party exists purely to be a ginger group of Democrats. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 26, 2016 13:09:57 GMT
In order to change the result, Clinton would have to win Michigan (which hasn't been called yet but Trump still leads), and flip Wisconsin (Trump lead 22,525 votes) and Pennsylvania (Trump lead 68,030 votes). Which makes it vastly improbable.
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 26, 2016 13:14:11 GMT
Utterly pointless action that will fail. The arguments put forward by Stein are also nonsense.
As for those who are donating money to this....a fool and their money are soon parted holds true here.
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Post by jamie on Nov 26, 2016 13:54:03 GMT
I can't confirm the accuracy, but I read that this is just Stein getting access to thousands of donors details. Considering the people donating are Clinton loyalists I don't know how effective this tactic actually will be, but she really has nothing to lose considering she has nothing to do for the next 3 years.
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Post by jamie on Nov 26, 2016 13:55:48 GMT
I suspect any sensible judge would rule she had no standing. But maybe Johnny Thomas Cwmgiedd has run off to the States undetected... Only candidates can request a recount and she has to pick 5% of places in the state where she believes there has been irregularities. What's she's doing is perfectly legal, but almost certainly going to amount to nothing. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 26, 2016 15:04:53 GMT
I hope it is a somewhat misguided attempt at garnering coverage for the Green Party. At best, it reinforces perceptions that the Green Party exists purely to be a ginger group of Democrats. And not a particularly helpful one at that. |
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Post by Adrian on Nov 26, 2016 17:51:05 GMT
Of course the usual suspects are pooh-poohing this effort, but I'm glad it's happening. There's a lot of controversy in the US about elections (some of which was stirred up by DJT of course) and it'll be a useful exercise to see how well the three states are running their democracies. In US election terms the amount of money involved is nothing.
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Nov 26, 2016 20:41:14 GMT
Trump not mincing his words  Well he would say that would n't he.......
Like most here I have no great expectation this will result in very much. I understand that states need to make their final decisions about the President and Vice President Electors by 13th December, with state meetings taking place on the 19th. Extremely tight deadlines especially if she goes for a three state action. Do individual states have an ability to extend these dates, or may permission be granted elsewhere? |
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Post by john07 on Nov 26, 2016 22:31:02 GMT
Now this is Trump 'mincing' his words!
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Post by slicesofjim on Nov 27, 2016 0:27:19 GMT
No electoral votes will change hands and the 'left' will look like sore losers. Incidentally, I don't think there's any bad faith on the part of Jill Stein, she's just an idiot.
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Post by peterl on Nov 30, 2016 14:36:42 GMT
Wisconsin have apparently agreed to the recount request and have started the process. Michigan have now certified the results and expect to receive a request for a recount shortly.
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Post by right on Nov 30, 2016 17:17:18 GMT
Just as a general question, what percentage can you expect to reverse in a recount? 0.2% seems high - Pennsylvania will need 1.2%.
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Post by jamie on Nov 30, 2016 17:38:37 GMT
right I've preivously read that a thousand votes is pretty the ceiling and unlikely at that. It will probably be in the lower 100s. If it's significantly above 1000 then something looks very dodgy. For reference, Michigan was won by over 10000 votes. I think Pennsylvania is only included because there needed to enough states challenged that could theoretically give Clinton a majority, which Wisconsin and Michigan alone would not do.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 30, 2016 20:12:42 GMT
I thought they'd missed the deadline for a recount in PA though so the whole thing is even more of a farcical waste of time and gulllible fool's money
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