markf
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Post by markf on Nov 21, 2016 9:56:06 GMT
Vince Cable wins his seat in 2015 & becomes Libdem leader
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2016 10:02:46 GMT
Vince Cable wins his seat in 2015 & becomes Libdem leader Ah Vince, the white, middle class man in his 70s who tripled university tuition fees. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 21, 2016 10:09:30 GMT
Vince Cable wins his seat in 2015 & becomes Libdem leader Ah Vince, the white, middle class man in his 70s who tripled university tuition fees. Yes he is. Britain is a white middle class country with an aging population where the older one is the more likely to vote. So, smart move to choose him. You would have a far more considerable presence, be further onto the centre stage, have more policy and better known and understood policy. Farron is also white and middle class! Are we now in a position where we have to apologize for being from the majority sector/ |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2016 10:19:50 GMT
Ah Vince, the white, middle class man in his 70s who tripled university tuition fees. Are we now in a position where we have to apologize for being from the majority sector/ No but many in the Lib Dems are desperate for someone who isn't white and male for them to lead us. (Not me, BTW) Many people in and outside of the Lib Dems also see him as some sort of saint like figure (Not me, BTW) and are keen to forget/ignore the whole tuition fees episode which were he to become leader would be a big distraction. Vince was 72 when he lost his seat, had he won he would be 77 come the next election which he would lead us into (and don't forget Ming who was perceived to be far more statesman like than Vince never shifted the age problem) and thus 82 at the end of the parliament after that during which he would inevitable stand down as leader. I don't know him but I don't think many people want to be doing a demanding job as an MP/leader into their early 80s. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 21, 2016 10:32:33 GMT
Surely a more interesting counter factual is Clegg having to stand down in the last parliament and Cable taking over?
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2016 11:01:43 GMT
Surely a more interesting counter factual is Clegg having to stand down in the last parliament and Cable taking over? Now that would have been interesting. I'm currently reading David Law's book 'Coalition' and it's clear that Clegg was more than aware of Vince's ambitions. Clegg seemingly decided in late 2013/early 2014 to stay until May 2015 after deciding that there was no credible alternative to him mid term in the coalition. All depends who would have stood in a leadership election of course, I'm not sure either the MPs or the party membership (not to mention the press/public) would have been satisfied by a coronation in that scenario. Jeremy Browne v Cable? I'm not 100% convinced that a Cameron-Cable Coalition could have worked, it was clear that Vince had his own ideas but that they weren't shared by many of his colleagues. Either way Cable as DPM wouldn't have saved many extra seats come May 2015. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 21, 2016 11:37:54 GMT
Not that many, but you might have struggled to double figures in MPs (and maybe also vote share)
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2016 11:45:58 GMT
Not that many, but you might have struggled to double figures in MPs (and maybe also vote share) I agree completely. I'm amazed by the number of party colleagues and media commentators* who refer/d to him as some sort of silver bullet * many of the later of course were just stirring. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 21, 2016 13:25:20 GMT
Are we now in a position where we have to apologize for being from the majority sector/ No but many in the Lib Dems are desperate for someone who isn't white and male for them to lead us. (Not me, BTW) Bit difficult just now though ... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 14:28:43 GMT
Are we now in a position where we have to apologize for being from the majority sector/ No but many in the Lib Dems are desperate for someone who isn't white and male for them to lead us. (Not me, BTW) Many people in and outside of the Lib Dems also see him as some sort of saint like figure (Not me, BTW) and are keen to forget/ignore the whole tuition fees episode which were he to become leader would be a big distraction. Vince was 72 when he lost his seat, had he won he would be 77 come the next election which he would lead us into (and don't forget Ming who was perceived to be far more statesman like than Vince never shifted the age problem) and thus 82 at the end of the parliament after that during which he would inevitable stand down as leader. I don't know him but I don't think many people want to be doing a demanding job as an MP/leader into their early 80s. Gladstone was older than Vincent or Ming when he become PM for the 4th time in 1892. Age isn't the problem it's talent. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 21, 2016 16:13:45 GMT
Gladstone was older than Vincent or Ming when he become PM for the 4th time in 1892. Age isn't the problem it's talent. Gladstone wasn't operating in the age of facebook, Twitter, and 24-hour rolling news. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:54:27 GMT
Gladstone was older than Vincent or Ming when he become PM for the 4th time in 1892. Age isn't the problem it's talent. Gladstone wasn't operating in the age of facebook, Twitter, and 24-hour rolling news. He knew a thing or two about the media of his time, I reckon he would have mastered our modern media jungle. |
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Post by markf on Nov 21, 2016 19:16:18 GMT
Vince could have led the party for the 1st couple of years of this parliament,giving a boost to the Libdems with his higher profile with voters.
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Post by mick745 on Nov 21, 2016 19:37:50 GMT
He may have a bit of gravitas but if the difference was Lib Dem having 9 seats as opposed to 8 I doubt they'd be much change.
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