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Post by Right Leaning on Nov 20, 2016 8:11:29 GMT
Can anyone tell me whether Barking UDC was broken down into wards before the re-organisation of 1964? If it was can anyone tell me what were they?
I have checked at the British Newspapers site, but they do not seem to have any papers with relevant information.
And if I am not asking too much, any results would be appreciated!!!
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ColinJ
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Post by ColinJ on Nov 20, 2016 8:42:51 GMT
Can anyone tell me whether Barking UDC was broken down into wards before the re-organisation of 1964? If it was can anyone tell me what were they? I have checked at the British Newspapers site, but they do not seem to have any papers with relevant information. And if I am not asking too much, any results would be appreciated!!! A helpful starting point is Wikipedia: Barking was a large ancient parish of 12,307 acres (49.80 km2) in the Becontree hundred of Essex. It was divided into the wards of Chadwell, Ilford, Ripple and Town. A local board was formed for Town ward in 1882 and it was extended to cover Ripple ward in 1885. In 1888 Ilford and Chadwell were split off as a new parish of Ilford, leaving a residual parish of 3,814 acres (15.43 km2).[8] The parish became Barking Town Urban District in 1894 and the local board became an urban district council. The urban district was incorporated as the Municipal Borough of Barking in 1931. It was abolished in 1965 and split, with the majority merged with the former area of the Municipal Borough of Dagenham to form the London Borough of Barking. The part west of the River Roding, which included part of Beckton, became part of the London Borough of Newham. In 1980 the borough was renamed Barking and Dagenham.[9] Barking's population is 48,340 (2011) which includes the Abbey, Eastbury, Gascoigne and Longbridge wards.There is a map showing that even in 1871 the civil parish of Barking was already split into wards:  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 20, 2016 9:48:17 GMT
My impression is that in a lot of the new boroughs created in London for 1964, the existing wards from the component districts were used. So that for example in Barnet there were five single member wards covering the old Friern Barnet UD. I don't know if this was the case with Barking as the wards in Barking & Dagenham in 1964 were all of similar size which suggests they may have been redrawn for that purpose. The wards covering Barking then were Abbey, Cambell, Gascoigne, Longbridge and Manor. This probably isn't all that helpful
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Post by Right Leaning on Nov 20, 2016 10:13:11 GMT
Thanks Colin, I had looked on Wikipedia, and is so often the case with it, it is half the answer. From the maps I have looked at the Urban District was a more compact seat by the 1930's (as indicated by Wikipedia but not by the map).
Yes Peter - I did wonder about that, and have the details of the five wards. As you say all the wards in the new post 1964 seat are of similar size (10,000 electors) and all elect four councillors, which feels very much that they were re-drawn for the new borough.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 20, 2016 10:36:40 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 20, 2016 11:16:03 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 20, 2016 13:32:24 GMT
Can anyone tell me whether Barking UDC was broken down into wards before the re-organisation of 1964? If it was can anyone tell me what were they? Here are the ward boundaries.  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 20, 2016 14:56:14 GMT
It seems the same wards were used from 1934 until the Urban District Council was abolished in 1965, and the definition of those wards is in the London Gazette of 6 March 1934. See www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34030/page/1513 www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34030/page/1514. 1. Abbey ward: The westernmost ward, including the town hall and the former site of St Mary's Abbey. 2. Gascoigne ward: The southern ward, including almost all of the river frontage. 3. Eastbury ward: The central ward, the only one not to include any of the district boundary. 4. Cambell ward: East of Eastbury, including the 'Castle Green' area. 5. Parsloes ward: The northern part of the eastern boundary of the district. Including Becontree station. 6. Manor ward: The northernmost ward, including Mayesbrook park. 7: Longbridge ward: The central of the three ward making up the northern boundary. Includes Barking Hospital. 8: Park ward: The north-western ward, including Barking Park. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 20, 2016 18:56:21 GMT
How do you get the ward boundaries to display on that Scottish website?>
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 20, 2016 19:18:16 GMT
How do you get the ward boundaries to display on that Scottish website?> Choose one of the maps that has ward boundaries on; most of the higher scale ones do. In this case the London 1947-1964 1:1056 series. Then zoom in to the level at which you can see the ward boundaries. They're dashed lines which say 'Ward Bdy' next to them. The borough boundary is marked by dots which have 'M.B. Bdy' next to them. A county boundary is marked by crosses. Etc. |
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Post by Right Leaning on Nov 20, 2016 19:30:38 GMT
It seems the same wards were used from 1934 until the Urban District Council was abolished in 1965, and the definition of those wards is in the London Gazette of 6 March 1934. See www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34030/page/1513 www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34030/page/1514. 1. Abbey ward: The westernmost ward, including the town hall and the former site of St Mary's Abbey. 2. Gascoigne ward: The southern ward, including almost all of the river frontage. 3. Eastbury ward: The central ward, the only one not to include any of the district boundary. 4. Cambell ward: East of Eastbury, including the 'Castle Green' area. 5. Parsloes ward: The northern part of the eastern boundary of the district. Including Becontree station. 6. Manor ward: The northernmost ward, including Mayesbrook park. 7: Longbridge ward: The central of the three ward making up the northern boundary. Includes Barking Hospital. 8: Park ward: The north-western ward, including Barking Park. Thanks David A search of the London Gazette, gives 7,363 results when you search for "Boundaries of the Wards", so it is going to cover a substantial number of the old authroities, with full descriptions of the boundaries. I will now spend hours of fun looking through these to look at the boundaries of long lost Urban, Rural and Municipal Districts. |
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 21, 2016 13:33:39 GMT
The 1930 UDC results are printed in the Chelmsford Chronicle (11th April) - Ind wins in Central, Westbury, Gascoigne and Longbridge; Lab wins in Ripple and Abbey.
Further back - Chelmsford Chronicle (2/4/1920) - four wards, two Labour victories.
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Post by overthehill on Nov 23, 2016 22:45:16 GMT
The 1930 UDC results are printed in the Chelmsford Chronicle (11th April) - Ind wins in Central, Westbury, Gascoigne and Longbridge; Lab wins in Ripple and Abbey. Further back - Chelmsford Chronicle (2/4/1920) - four wards, two Labour victories. Fascinating! Do you have the actual results? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 23, 2016 23:06:32 GMT
Here's the 1938 election.
ABBEY Ward
E.E. Gower (RA) 934
E.W. Ayres (Lab) 502
F.G. Rowe (Prog Lab) 207
Mrs. S.H. Hills (Ind) 144
CAMBELL Ward
*B.E. Roycroft (Lab) 1,675
Rev. Fred Smith (Ind) 506
EASTBURY Ward
A.E. Doe (Lab) 1,149
*B. Palmer (Prog Lab) 730
A.W. Burrows (Ind) 564
GASCOINE Ward
*Mrs. J.H. Engwell (Lab) 1,026
B.E. Jackson (RA) 868
W.W. Fincham (Prog Lab) 89
LONGBRIDGE Ward
*J.T. Saunders (Ind) 1,043
A.E. Hopkins (Lab) 379
MANOR Ward
W.G. Wemerling (Lab) 1,414
Mrs. A.D. Nichols (RA) 152
PARK Ward
A.J. Blake (RA) 1,128
J.J. Holt (Lab) 422
PARSLOES Ward
*H.G. Parnell (Lab) 1,023
J.L. Walder (RA) 100
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Post by overthehill on Nov 26, 2016 0:11:11 GMT
Here's the 1938 election. ABBEY Ward E.E. Gower (RA) 934 E.W. Ayres (Lab) 502 F.G. Rowe (Prog Lab) 207 Mrs. S.H. Hills (Ind) 144 CAMBELL Ward *B.E. Roycroft (Lab) 1,675 Rev. Fred Smith (Ind) 506 EASTBURY Ward A.E. Doe (Lab) 1,149 *B. Palmer (Prog Lab) 730 A.W. Burrows (Ind) 564 GASCOINE Ward *Mrs. J.H. Engwell (Lab) 1,026 B.E. Jackson (RA) 868 W.W. Fincham (Prog Lab) 89 LONGBRIDGE Ward *J.T. Saunders (Ind) 1,043 A.E. Hopkins (Lab) 379 MANOR Ward W.G. Wemerling (Lab) 1,414 Mrs. A.D. Nichols (RA) 152 PARK Ward A.J. Blake (RA) 1,128 J.J. Holt (Lab) 422 PARSLOES Ward *H.G. Parnell (Lab) 1,023 J.L. Walder (RA) 100 Fascinating - thanks. I wonder who the Prog (Progressive?) Labour candidates were? They don't seem to have had much of an incumbency bonus in Eastbury ward. ! Many of the ward name here remain! |
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 26, 2016 11:11:36 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Nov 26, 2016 12:29:55 GMT
Fantastic, thanks for posting these, quite amazing - were are they from? Are any other boroughs available? A few councillors elected in this period have roads in the Borough named after them - interesting that 'United Citizens' put up nearly a full slate of candidates in 1932 but thereafter seem to disappear. Mrs Milicent Preston was presumably a prominent councillor as an old folks home in the borough is named after her - but she withdrew from an election she was nominated in.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 26, 2016 14:03:53 GMT
From the Essex newspapers...available online (at a reasonable charge). Many results included in the editions - Boroughs in November, County/Districts/Guardians in March/April. Happy hunting!
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dazza
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Post by dazza on Nov 28, 2016 6:59:14 GMT
Progressive Labour must be something to do with National Labour methinks. As a former LBBD Councillor (1990-2004) I remember stories of some of these people. Bertie Roycraft is immortalised in Roycraft House in the town centre. Julia Engwell had a Clinic named after her.She was quite formidable apparently. Barking was not Labour-controlled in the early 1930's its Charter Mayor Colonel A.E Martin, went on I think to be Tory MP for Romford or had been so.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 28, 2016 12:42:59 GMT
Essex 1949 a Mrs Roycraft (losing) is mentioned:- www.dropbox.com/sh/85qeytqroqw9l9b/AACSP4SOe5u9Vrc9NXvDu_m2a?dl=0There is a book about Barking MB. Can't recall the name. My secondhand copy fell to bits. I remember the author stating that borough elections were noncompetitive/uncontested whereas county divisions were keenly fought because of the boundaries. |
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