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Post by nitory on Oct 2, 2016 16:00:26 GMT
Unlikely to reach the 50% turnout threshold then?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2016 16:27:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:04:13 GMT
According to news outlet 444.hu the government has pressured 11 municipalities (with a combined population of 3.68 million, approximately 33% of the total) to drive up turnout. These municipalities (basically the ones that refused to send out government "information" on the referendum) have been threatened that they will have to accommodate the migrants if turnout is low, and that their continued access to EU subsidies could be withheld.
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Post by middyman on Oct 2, 2016 17:54:22 GMT
Perhaps I have missed it but I cannot record having seen or heard anyone contrasting the attitude of the Visegrad group inc. Hungary towards the UK's insistence on controlling its immigration (no trade deal then) with Hungary's insistence on being able to do just that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:11:51 GMT
Perhaps I have missed it but I cannot record having seen or heard anyone contrasting the attitude of the Visegrad group inc. Hungary towards the UK's insistence on controlling its immigration (no trade deal then) with Hungary's insistence on being able to do just that. Middle Eastern/African refugees and internal European labour migration are different things. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:24:15 GMT
Fidesz deputy chairman Gurlas concedes: With turnout at 45% the 50% threshold has not been reached.
Hungarian media focus on the fact that more than 3 million people have voted "No", allegedly 95% of the vote. Fidesz still think the result should have political consequences.
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Post by middyman on Oct 2, 2016 18:35:25 GMT
Perhaps I have missed it but I cannot record having seen or heard anyone contrasting the attitude of the Visegrad group inc. Hungary towards the UK's insistence on controlling its immigration (no trade deal then) with Hungary's insistence on being able to do just that. Middle Eastern/African refugees and internal European labour migration are different things. The principle is the same - who says who can enter one's country. We have taken 500,000 or so; they are cutting up rough about less than 2,000. We HAVE agreed to take a number of Middle East refugees, albeit from refugee camps. |
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Post by middyman on Oct 2, 2016 18:47:17 GMT
The principle is the same - who says who can enter one's country. We have taken 500,000 or so; they are cutting up rough about less than 2,000. We HAVE agreed to take a number of Middle East refugees, albeit from refugee camps. No the principle is the same, what's good for the Hungarians. The British government ought to have a similar basis for its migration policy, what good for the British. Precisely. Both are desirous of the same, but one is "threatening" the other for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:48:34 GMT
Middle Eastern/African refugees and internal European labour migration are different things. The principle is the same - who says who can enter one's country. We have taken 500,000 or so; they are cutting up rough about less than 2,000. We HAVE agreed to take a number of Middle East refugees, albeit from refugee camps. That is a Western way of seeing it. The Hungarians would not laud you for having taken Middle Eastern refugees, they would prefer a united European front against all Muslim immigration. The labour migration issue is part of a give and take in intra-European trade negotiations, that is an entirely different game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:03:51 GMT
Greetings from Budapest. We are renting an apartment in Zoltán utca, close to Parliament. We arrived yesterday, the eve of the referendum, to the sound of thunderous rock music, which we later discovered was coming from Kossuth Lajos tér, immediately outside the parliament building, where the nationalist band Romantikus Erőszak (Romantic Violence) was holding a concert.  The photo is from the website of Romantikus Erőszak. Today there was a nationalist demonstration of some kind in Kossuth Lajos tér, with what appeared to be a small left-wing counter-demonstration, which featured a Soviet-era recording of the Internationale being blasted out over loudspeakers. There as here, the Left really know how to make friends and influence people. As for the referendum, Gergely Gulyas, Vice President of Fidesz, said that the referendum on the EU migrant resettlement quota has failed due to low turnout, though some 95 percent of those who did vote rejected the quota. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:12:34 GMT
As for the referendum, Gergely Gulyas, Vice President of Fidesz, said that the referendum on the EU migrant resettlement quota has failed due to low turnout, though some 95 percent of those who did vote rejected the quota. Didn't bother to read the thread, eh?  Anyway, thanks for the greeting and that lovely photo.  |
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Post by middyman on Oct 2, 2016 20:13:46 GMT
The principle is the same - who says who can enter one's country. We have taken 500,000 or so; they are cutting up rough about less than 2,000. We HAVE agreed to take a number of Middle East refugees, albeit from refugee camps. That is a Western way of seeing it. The Hungarians would not laud you for having taken Middle Eastern refugees, they would prefer a united European front against all Muslim immigration. The labour migration issue is part of a give and take in intra-European trade negotiations, that is an entirely different game. The basic point clear ... if you do not cloud it with other issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:19:34 GMT
As for the referendum, Gergely Gulyas, Vice President of Fidesz, said that the referendum on the EU migrant resettlement quota has failed due to low turnout, though some 95 percent of those who did vote rejected the quota. Didn't bother to read the thread, eh? Anyway, thanks for the greeting and that lovely photo. Being on holiday, I'm only skimming... |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 2, 2016 21:09:50 GMT
Greetings from Budapest. We are renting an apartment in Zoltán utca, close to Parliament. We arrived yesterday, the eve of the referendum, to the sound of thunderous rock music, which we later discovered was coming from Kossuth Lajos tér, immediately outside the parliament building, where the nationalist band Romantikus Erőszak (Romantic Violence) was holding a concert. The photo is from the website of Romantikus Erőszak. Today there was a nationalist demonstration of some kind in Kossuth Lajos tér, with what appeared to be a small left-wing counter-demonstration, which featured a recording of the Internationale being blasted out over loudspeakers. There as here, the Left really know how to make friends and influence people. As for the referendum, Gergely Gulyas, Vice President of Fidesz, said that the referendum on the EU migrant resettlement quota has failed due to low turnout, though some 95 percent of those who did vote rejected the quota. You're one road away from Hungarikum Bisztro. That was very good on our last visit to Budapest (my husband's family is from near Mosonmagyaróvár, so we try to get over as much as we can. They escaped after 56, but ended up in Blackburn, so not sure it was worth it...) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:20:41 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation Arthur Figgis - it looks nice, and we might well give it a whirl, though it's a bit expensive by local standards. Our first dinner in Budapest last night was at an old favourite, the long-established and traditional Kiskakukk restaurant. My "pan-fried duck" turned out to be half a duck, accompanied by masses of onion-fried potato and red cabbage. Cost: about £8.50. The entire meal, including drinks, came to about £34.00 for two. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 2, 2016 21:26:52 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation Arthur Figgis - it looks nice, and we might well give it a whirl, though it's a bit expensive by local standards. Our first dinner in Budapest last night was at an old favourite, the long-established and traditional Kiskakukk restaurant. My "pan-fried duck" turned out to be half a duck, accompanied by masses of onion-fried potato and red cabbage. Cost: about £8.50. The entire meal, including drinks, came to about £34.00 for two. I've been there too- and one of our favourites is Pozsonyi Kisvendéglő, just up the same road from there. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Oct 2, 2016 21:30:09 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation Arthur Figgis - it looks nice, and we might well give it a whirl, though it's a bit expensive by local standards. Our first dinner in Budapest last night was at an old favourite, the long-established and traditional Kiskakukk restaurant. My "pan-fried duck" turned out to be half a duck, accompanied by masses of onion-fried potato and red cabbage. Cost: about £8.50. The entire meal, including drinks, came to about £34.00 for two. My recollection of Hungarian food from 26 years ago is a nice warm memory - especially as I didn't know what most of it was before I'd ordered it. Beautiful as Czechoslovakia (as was) is/was, the food made me fonder of British food. Apart from the Magyar bits of Slovakia. And palatschinken, but I discovered them a bit late. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:33:30 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation Arthur Figgis - it looks nice, and we might well give it a whirl, though it's a bit expensive by local standards. Our first dinner in Budapest last night was at an old favourite, the long-established and traditional Kiskakukk restaurant. My "pan-fried duck" turned out to be half a duck, accompanied by masses of onion-fried potato and red cabbage. Cost: about £8.50. The entire meal, including drinks, came to about £34.00 for two. I've been there too- and one of our favourites is Pozsonyi Kisvendéglő, just up the same road from there. Yes, we have often gone there. Good, sustaining food, generous portions and very cheap. Sadly, it seems to have been discovered by tourists, as it's nowadays much more difficult to get a table without pre-booking. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:49:40 GMT
With 94.8 procent of the votes counted 98.2% had voted no to EU refugee quotas.
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Post by mboy on Oct 2, 2016 21:53:56 GMT
Wow. What are the highest referendum percentages in 'free' votes with millions turning out? (I.e. not including micro-votes like Falklands or Gibraltar)
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