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Post by peterl on Aug 30, 2016 7:53:28 GMT
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Post by Eastwood on Aug 30, 2016 12:20:25 GMT
The long awaited consultation on options for the future of local government in Dorset starts on Tuesday. You can already have a look the four options being considered and there are more details about each. Unfortunately, the details are excessively focused on the impact on council tax rather than local identity, public services or maintaining some semblance of local democracy. 1. No change 2a. Council 1 - Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch, East Dorset Council 2 - North Dorset, West Dorset, Weymouth, Purbeck 2b. Council 1 - Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch Council 2 - East Dorset, North Dorset, West Dorset, Weymouth, Purbeck 3. Council 1 - Bournemouth, Poole Council 2 - Christchurch, East Dorset, North Dorset, West Dorset, Weymouth, Purbeck I like option 1 best and 2a by far the least. I think 2a is the best option as far as I'm concerned. Christchurch, Poole, Ferndown and West Moors are fundamentally part of the Bournemouth conurbation. I grew up in an English rural district and have had family ties for many years to West Moors and Ferndown. Fundamentally they don't feel like a rural district, they feel like a suburb of a conurbation. East Dorset doesn't have particularly crazy boundaries to the north so I'd be relaxed about the whole district going in though you could trim the boundary if you really wanted. Equally I can see the argument for including Purbeck with Poole but unlike Ferndown, Swanage and Wareham do feel like they are a rural district, so I think there is also logic for them to go in the rural authority. Either way there is an argument to be made for a small snip to Purbeck allowing Upton to be added to the Urban authority. |
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Post by peterl on Aug 30, 2016 13:49:38 GMT
I agree on Upton, but not on Ferndown. Local people most definitely seem to identify with East Dorset/Dorset more than Bournemouth. Local needs are different to those in a large urban area.
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Post by neilm on Aug 31, 2016 6:30:46 GMT
Is no one suggesting a single county unitary?
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 2, 2016 19:59:20 GMT
Is no one suggesting a single county unitary? I suspect you are about to. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 2, 2016 20:06:00 GMT
Is no one suggesting a single county unitary? I suspect you are about to. Well guessed... |
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Post by peterl on Jan 27, 2017 11:56:00 GMT
An update on this
On Tuesday, Poole had a full council meeting to discuss the merger. A Lib Dem led amendment calling for a referendum on the changes was defeated by 27 votes to 12. A motion to support the merger then passed also by 27 to 12.
Yesterday, Weymouth and Portland unanimously agreed the changes. I am hearing that West Dorset and Dorset County Council also agreed the changes yesterday but I don't know the vote totals at present.
North Dorset votes today, East Dorset Monday night, Bournemouth Purbeck and Christchurch (the most likely to say no) all vote Tuesday night. This May's county council elections will proceed regardless.
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Post by Eastwood on Jan 27, 2017 12:49:08 GMT
An update on this On Tuesday, Poole had a full council meeting to discuss the merger. A Lib Dem led amendment calling for a referendum on the changes was defeated by 27 votes to 12. A motion to support the merger then passed also by 27 to 12. Yesterday, Weymouth and Portland unanimously agreed the changes. I am hearing that West Dorset and Dorset County Council also agreed the changes yesterday but I don't know the vote totals at present. North Dorset votes today, East Dorset Monday night, Bournemouth Purbeck and Christchurch (the most likely to say no) all vote Tuesday night. This May's county council elections will proceed regardless. And do I understand correctly that 2B seems to be the favoured option that the councils are voting on? |
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Post by cherrycoffin on Jan 27, 2017 12:53:28 GMT
An update on this On Tuesday, Poole had a full council meeting to discuss the merger. A Lib Dem led amendment calling for a referendum on the changes was defeated by 27 votes to 12. A motion to support the merger then passed also by 27 to 12. Yesterday, Weymouth and Portland unanimously agreed the changes. I am hearing that West Dorset and Dorset County Council also agreed the changes yesterday but I don't know the vote totals at present. North Dorset votes today, East Dorset Monday night, Bournemouth Purbeck and Christchurch (the most likely to say no) all vote Tuesday night. This May's county council elections will proceed regardless. And do I understand correctly that 2B seems to be the favoured option that the councils are voting on? Yes it is. Fairly sure it will pass everywhere with exception of Christchurch, which likes to think of itself as independent but in reality is virtually dependent on Bournemouth (I am a resident of Christchurch) |
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Post by Eastwood on Jan 27, 2017 12:59:44 GMT
And do I understand correctly that 2B seems to be the favoured option that the councils are voting on? Yes it is. Fairly sure it will pass everywhere with exception of Christchurch, which likes to think of itself as independent but in reality is virtually dependent on Bournemouth (I am a resident of Christchurch) Thanks. I still think places like Ferndown and West Moors are essentially suburbs of Bournemouth but 2B seems a reasonable starting point. Once 2 unitaries are established the boundaries can always be changed later. |
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Post by cherrycoffin on Jan 27, 2017 13:35:51 GMT
Yes it is. Fairly sure it will pass everywhere with exception of Christchurch, which likes to think of itself as independent but in reality is virtually dependent on Bournemouth (I am a resident of Christchurch) Thanks. I still think places like Ferndown and West Moors are essentially suburbs of Bournemouth but 2B seems a reasonable starting point. Once 2 unitaries are established the boundaries can always be changed later. I think most people see Ferndown as a suburb to be honest. West Moors is slightly further away but essentially a suburb too. I agree with the idea that boundaries can develop over time. Right now it doesn't make sense to have places like Verwood in with Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch but who knows in a few years time. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 27, 2017 13:42:17 GMT
There is a lot of feeling in East Dorset of not wanting anything to do with Bournemouth. Ferndown Town Council for instance unanimously voted that it would be better for East Dorset to be part of Dorset than Bournemouth.
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Post by johnloony on Jan 28, 2017 11:01:45 GMT
Show me the maps, or it doesn't exist. I've trawlled around the linked site and can't find any maps of the proposals, the best I've been able to manage is print the 'existing setup' map and scribble on it. There are maps on the downloadable PDFs. Took me less than a minute to find them on my phone. Where? Where is "on the downloadable PDFs"? Instead of smugly telling us that you found it in less than a minute, why don't you usefully tell us where it is or give a link? |
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Post by cherrycoffin on Jan 28, 2017 11:56:21 GMT
North Dorset District Council have now backed the merger plans
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 28, 2017 18:42:41 GMT
If these mergers come to pass, Rural Dorset should join the Heart of the South West LEP i.e. Devon and Somerset.
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Post by peterl on Jan 28, 2017 19:57:58 GMT
If these mergers come to pass, Rural Dorset should join the Heart of the South West LEP i.e. Devon and Somerset. Because they are surely crying out for another unelected quango to tell them what to do.  |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 28, 2017 20:29:03 GMT
If these mergers come to pass, Rural Dorset should join the Heart of the South West LEP i.e. Devon and Somerset. Because they are surely crying out for another unelected quango to tell them what to do. No because Somerset, Devon und Rural Dorset have much in common and are facing similar problems and challenges. I'm no fan of elected super mayors, and I'm no fan of Hinckley Point around which HotSW are stupidly building much of their case. I wouldn't even want another quango, just closer cooperation between Somerset, Devon and Dorset Councils, be it County, Unitary or District Councils. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 30, 2017 23:39:46 GMT
According to their twitter feed, East Dorset say no by a 17-12 vote. Bournemouth, Christchurch and Purbeck will be the last councils to vote tomorrow night. The smart money is on a no vote in Christchurch.
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 31, 2017 0:02:13 GMT
According to their twitter feed, East Dorset say no by a 17-12 vote. Bournemouth, Christchurch and Purbeck will be the last councils to vote tomorrow night. The smart money is on a no vote in Christchurch. Presume it's dead then? I expect Purbeck to say no too. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 31, 2017 0:21:03 GMT
According to their twitter feed, East Dorset say no by a 17-12 vote. Bournemouth, Christchurch and Purbeck will be the last councils to vote tomorrow night. The smart money is on a no vote in Christchurch. Presume it's dead then? I expect Purbeck to say no too. Up to the Secretary of State ultimately, but throw in the fact that option 2b does not meet the Government's guidelines populations for new unitaries and I would say so. Why do you say Purbeck will vote no (I have no info on Purbeck one way or another)? |
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