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Post by jamesdoyle on Apr 17, 2024 11:21:31 GMT
Do we carry on the game until there's one forum member left going,'Come on guys, tell me the answer!'? And then when the answer is revealed, half of us (including me) go, 'Oh, I thought it was something else.'
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Post by swingometer on Apr 17, 2024 11:25:28 GMT
I’m sorry, I don’t know what I’m looking at.
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Post by swingometer on Apr 17, 2024 11:31:24 GMT
Yes you're right. For some reason I had thought that name was only adopted in 2010 rather than in 1997 I think Cannock Chase was the safest Labour seat to fall in 2010. Confirmation would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 17, 2024 11:37:22 GMT
I’m sorry, I don’t know what I’m looking at. There is a very strong clue in the Thread Title. It is a Map of Great Britain and N I depicting individual constituencies and highly coloured for the benefit of the slow learners at the back of the class.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 17, 2024 11:56:28 GMT
I’m sorry, I don’t know what I’m looking at. There is a very strong clue in the Thread Title. It is a Map of Great Britain and N I depicting individual constituencies and highly coloured for the benefit of the slow learners at the back of the class.Throw the chalkboard eraser at them!
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Post by swingometer on Apr 17, 2024 12:06:04 GMT
There is a very strong clue in the Thread Title. It is a Map of Great Britain and N I depicting individual constituencies and highly coloured for the benefit of the slow learners at the back of the class.Throw the chalkboard eraser at them! Ouch
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 17, 2024 12:17:05 GMT
I’m sorry, I don’t know what I’m looking at. I can't fathom it either.
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 17, 2024 12:57:43 GMT
I’m sorry, I don’t know what I’m looking at. I can't fathom it either. There are some pretty big clues in the forum posts discussing it. There's more than enough information that you should be able to figure it out by double-checking the history of various seats.
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Post by johnloony on Apr 17, 2024 13:05:18 GMT
One thought I had was that it might be something like “party of the first candidate on the ballot paper, in alphabetical order” or similar, but the presence of too many oddments like Whigs and Radicals makes that unlikely.
Something to do with notional historical results mapped onto the current (2010-2024) constituencies? Something from the 19th century?
The most recent MP which each constituency had of a certain name? Or with a certain random / demographic attribute?
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 17, 2024 13:26:50 GMT
One thought I had was that it might be something like “party of the first candidate on the ballot paper, in alphabetical order” or similar, but the presence of too many oddments like Whigs and Radicals makes that unlikely. Something to do with notional historical results mapped onto the current (2010-2024) constituencies? Something from the 19th century? The most recent MP which each constituency had of a certain name? Or with a certain random / demographic attribute? There are some much simpler possibilities that you haven't considered in that post. I'll give you a hint that the inclusion of Liberal Democrats rules out the possibility that it's mapping the result of any of the 19th century elections onto the current constituencies. You are more than capable of figuring it out the way Bish did.
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Post by jamesdoyle on Apr 17, 2024 14:11:38 GMT
One thought I had was that it might be something like “party of the first candidate on the ballot paper, in alphabetical order” or similar, but the presence of too many oddments like Whigs and Radicals makes that unlikely. Something to do with notional historical results mapped onto the current (2010-2024) constituencies? Something from the 19th century? The most recent MP which each constituency had of a certain name? Or with a certain random / demographic attribute? I've messaged you, john!
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Post by johnloony on Apr 17, 2024 14:20:39 GMT
From a sample size of 4 (i.e I have only googled 4 constituencies so far, so I haven’t confirmed beyond that) my provisional hypothesis is that it shows the party which won the constituency the first time (since 1832) that the constituency had the same name as the 2010 boundaries, specifically:
The 3 seats shown on the map as “Radical” are: Gateshead, whose MP in 1832 was Cuthbert Rippon (Radical) Wakefield, whose MP in 1832 was Daniel Gaskell (Radical) Ashton-under-Lyne, whose MP in 1832 was George Williams (Radical)
and the one which is SDP (assuming that “SDP” and “SDLP” have been erroneously switched) is: Stockton South, whose first MP in 1983 was Ian Wrigglesworth (SDP)
P.S. 5th sample: Don Valley, National Democratic in 1918 (James Walton)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 17, 2024 14:26:57 GMT
From a sample size of 4 (i.e I have only googled 4 constituencies so far, so I haven’t confirmed beyond that) my provisional hypothesis is that it shows the party which won the constituency the first time (since 1832) that the constituency had the same name as the 2010 boundaries, specifically: The 3 seats shown on the map as “Radical” are: Gateshead, whose MP in 1832 was Cuthbert Rippon (Radical) Wakefield, whose MP in 1832 was Daniel Gaskell (Radical) Ashton-under-Lyne, whose MP in 1832 was George Williams (Radical) and the one which is SDP (assuming that “SDP” and “SDLP” have been erroneously switched) is: Stockton South, whose first MP in 1983 was Ian Wrigglesworth (SDP) Just the first time - not since 1832, hence all the Independents in ancient boroughs like Lewes and Lichfield and Ludlow (some of which go back to 1295 or thereabouts). On reflection, it might have been better to go for 'since 1832' as it would have avoided all the Independents..
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Post by johnloony on Apr 17, 2024 14:32:57 GMT
I only put in the bit about “since 1832” because the Wikipedia pages I checked had their lists starting in 1832 : )
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Post by johnloony on Apr 17, 2024 14:36:13 GMT
As it happens, I also used pale brown for the National Democratic Party when I coloured in my map of the 1918 general election (which is on my wall anyway):
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Post by swingometer on Apr 20, 2024 20:02:26 GMT
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Post by ilerda on Apr 23, 2024 12:28:38 GMT
A very clever idea, and one it took me disappointingly long to work out. I do have a little question about methodology though, which is exemplified by the Hartlepool situation. Is there not an argument in favour of taking a more pragmatic approach to names and creation dates in this sort of scenario?
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 23, 2024 12:41:27 GMT
Yes, but that is a bit of a "piece of string" question - once you start with that where do you draw the line?
(of course, upholding "same name" as a rigid rule explains other certain initially puzzling ones - such as what we used to call the Western Isles)
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Post by ilerda on Apr 23, 2024 14:41:08 GMT
Also the presumption in two-member seats that they are listed in order of votes/election.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 30, 2024 20:05:23 GMT
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