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Post by John Chanin on Jun 17, 2020 17:12:58 GMT
I’m really hoping andrewteale is nearly finished with these Scottish and Welsh councils, and we can get some 2019 English councils.
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 17, 2020 18:13:21 GMT
I’m really hoping andrewteale is nearly finished with these Scottish and Welsh councils, and we can get some 2019 English councils. The 2017 page on LEAP shows 3 Welsh councils plus City of London and Isles of Scilly left to do for 2017. Of course he might well go on to focus on the 2018 London results (almost all of which are outstanding) before doing any councils which were up in 2019.
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 17, 2020 18:29:00 GMT
I’m really hoping andrewteale is nearly finished with these Scottish and Welsh councils, and we can get some 2019 English councils. The 2017 page on LEAP shows 3 Welsh councils plus City of London and Isles of Scilly left to do for 2017. Of course he might well go on to focus on the 2018 London results (almost all of which are outstanding) before doing any councils which were up in 2019.
In general terms, the 2018 queue looks like it will be the outstanding thirds councils (which includes most of the big cities) first and then London once those are sorted. There will be exceptions to this.
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 17, 2020 19:44:45 GMT
Now this was a result that passed me by at the time. Blaenau Gwent 2017. Ind 28 (+19) Lab 13 (-20) PC 1 (+1). Changes based on 2012: Ind gain from Lab Abertillery (2) Badminton (1) Beaufort (1) Blaina (1) Brynmawr (1) Cwmtillery (2) Ebbw Vale North (3) Ebbw Vale South (2) Llanhilleth (2) Nantyglo (1) Sirhowy (1) Six Bells (1) Tredegar Central and West (1) PC gain from Lab Cwm (1) Split divisions in 2012 were: Blaina: 2Ind/1Lab Cwm: Lab/PC Cwmtillery: 2Ind/1Lab Llanhilleth: 2Ind/1Lab Nantyglo: 2Ind/1Lab Rassau: Lab/Ind Sirhowy: 1Ind/2Lab Tredegar Central and West: 1Ind/3Lab
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 17, 2020 21:28:36 GMT
Ceredigion 2017. PC 20 (+1) Ind 13 (-2) LD 8 (+1) Lab 1. Changes based on 2012: Ind gain from PC Ciliau Aeron Llandysul Town LD gain from PC Aberystwyth Penparcau (1) PC gain from Ind Aberporth Aberystwyth Rheidol Pen-parc Troedyraur Beulah, Llanarth, Llandysiliogogo, Llanfarian, Llanwenog, Trefeurig and Troedyraur were uncontested. The election in Llandyfriog was postponed after the LD candidate died; as no other candidates were nominated that division was also uncontested. Split divisions in 2012 were: Aberystwyth Penparcau: PC/LD Lampeter: Lab/Ind
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 17, 2020 21:57:07 GMT
Beulah, Llanarth, Llandysiliogogo, Llanfarian, Llanwenog, Trefeurig and Troedyraur were uncontested. The election in Llandyfriog was postponed after the LD candidate died; as no other candidates were nominated that division was also uncontested. Split divisions in 2012 were: Aberystwyth Penparcau: PC/LD Lampeter: Lab/Ind Presumably because nobody else wanted to spend hours of their life writing the ward name on all the forms. (I'm allowed to make that joke)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 17, 2020 21:59:37 GMT
I note that Ceredigion has two wards which share their names with breeds of sheep!
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Post by IceAgeComing on Jun 18, 2020 9:01:43 GMT
Is it just me or are lots of the Scottish councils REALLY small in terms of the actual number of councillors? When I was at uni I remember reading something somewhere about Scotland having the smallest number of councillors per head of anywhere in Europe, but finding exactly the source for that would be tricky. Its not like they've downsized since the Parliament came in: the 1995 reorganisation (politically contentious at the time because it was done with minimal consultation and I don't think its that controversial to say that some of the decisions on what the new councils would be were motivated by attempts to retain some Conservative councils in Scotland); the ones that are very small now were small back then as well. Just checked this actually in the 1995 results book that's on the Elections Centre site - before the 90s reorganisation there were 1,158 district councillors and 453 regional councillors (so 1,611 in total). Afterwards there were 1,161 councillors total - so despite the new authorities being more powerful and Scotland losing a layer of local government, there were only three more councillors on the unitary authorities than there were district councillors total the year earlier. Part of that was that the legislation was hurried through Parliament to try and avoid an extra round of Regional elections so the initial ward boundaries used were often just the old district boundaries (sometimes moved into new authorities) with tweaks made by the Secretary of State for Scotland with no Boundary Commission involvement and the numbers increased slightly afterwards (1,222 councillors elected in 1999 when every authority had new boundaries, there were 1,227 councillors elected in 2019) but not significantly.
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 18, 2020 9:13:28 GMT
Is it just me or are lots of the Scottish councils REALLY small in terms of the actual number of councillors? When I was at uni I remember reading something somewhere about Scotland having the smallest number of councillors per head of anywhere in Europe, but finding exactly the source for that would be tricky. Its not like they've downsized since the Parliament came in: the 1995 reorganisation (politically contentious at the time because it was done with minimal consultation and I don't think its that controversial to say that some of the decisions on what the new councils would be were motivated by attempts to retain some Conservative councils in Scotland); the ones that are very small now were small back then as well. Just checked this actually in the 1995 results book that's on the Elections Centre site - before the 90s reorganisation there were 1,158 district councillors and 453 regional councillors (so 1,611 in total). Afterwards there were 1,161 councillors total - so despite the new authorities being more powerful and Scotland losing a layer of local government, there were only three more councillors on the unitary authorities than there were district councillors total the year earlier. Part of that was that the legislation was hurried through Parliament to try and avoid an extra round of Regional elections so the initial ward boundaries used were often just the old district boundaries (sometimes moved into new authorities) with tweaks made by the Secretary of State for Scotland with no Boundary Commission involvement and the numbers increased slightly afterwards (1,222 councillors elected in 1999 when every authority had new boundaries, there were 1,227 councillors elected in 2019) but not significantly. The UK as a whole has significantly fewer local councillors per capita than most countries in Europe (the main exceptions would be micro-states like Andorra or Monaco, which have very flat government structures), so it wouldn't be surprising if Scotland had the fewest councillors per capita of any region in Europe (though it would be surprising if there weren't a few cities with fewer). I recall looking at the numbers for France a couple of years back and working out that their lowest level of local government has way more councillors than the UK has elected politicians, though I don't think I still have the numbers.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 18, 2020 9:25:27 GMT
When I was at uni I remember reading something somewhere about Scotland having the smallest number of councillors per head of anywhere in Europe, but finding exactly the source for that would be tricky. Its not like they've downsized since the Parliament came in: the 1995 reorganisation (politically contentious at the time because it was done with minimal consultation and I don't think its that controversial to say that some of the decisions on what the new councils would be were motivated by attempts to retain some Conservative councils in Scotland); the ones that are very small now were small back then as well. Just checked this actually in the 1995 results book that's on the Elections Centre site - before the 90s reorganisation there were 1,158 district councillors and 453 regional councillors (so 1,611 in total). Afterwards there were 1,161 councillors total - so despite the new authorities being more powerful and Scotland losing a layer of local government, there were only three more councillors on the unitary authorities than there were district councillors total the year earlier. Part of that was that the legislation was hurried through Parliament to try and avoid an extra round of Regional elections so the initial ward boundaries used were often just the old district boundaries (sometimes moved into new authorities) with tweaks made by the Secretary of State for Scotland with no Boundary Commission involvement and the numbers increased slightly afterwards (1,222 councillors elected in 1999 when every authority had new boundaries, there were 1,227 councillors elected in 2019) but not significantly. The UK as a whole has significantly fewer local councillors per capita than most countries in Europe (the main exceptions would be micro-states like Andorra or Monaco, which have very flat government structures), so it wouldn't be surprising if Scotland had the fewest councillors per capita of any region in Europe (though it would be surprising if there weren't a few cities with fewer). I recall looking at the numbers for France a couple of years back and working out that their lowest level of local government has way more councillors than the UK has elected politicians, though I don't think I still have the numbers.
However, if local government has little real power, is the presence of more councillors necessary? Surely, if you want more local decision making (and I'm not sure I do) then that has to be the priority - not having more councillors with no real power who don't run anything?
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 18, 2020 11:10:10 GMT
The UK as a whole has significantly fewer local councillors per capita than most countries in Europe (the main exceptions would be micro-states like Andorra or Monaco, which have very flat government structures), so it wouldn't be surprising if Scotland had the fewest councillors per capita of any region in Europe (though it would be surprising if there weren't a few cities with fewer). I recall looking at the numbers for France a couple of years back and working out that their lowest level of local government has way more councillors than the UK has elected politicians, though I don't think I still have the numbers.
However, if local government has little real power, is the presence of more councillors necessary? Surely, if you want more local decision making (and I'm not sure I do) then that has to be the priority - not having more councillors with no real power who don't run anything? The two things are hardly unrelated. The steep decline in the number of UK councillors over the last few decades has gone hand-in-hand with Westminster stealing powers away from local government. My view is that both are significant factors in the public's declining trust in politicians - fewer councillors per capita means politicians as a whole are more remote and less rooted in local communities, whilst decision-making being more centralised means that the average person is less able to influence decisions they care about simply because those decisions are being made further away and at a higher level.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 7:03:39 GMT
Notts 1983 versus Notts 2019
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Post by froome on Jun 19, 2020 7:40:33 GMT
The red wall versus the red splodge?
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2020 10:36:57 GMT
There is an argument that Nottingham North was Labour's worst result of all in 1983 (excluding unusual/personal factors in some seats)
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Post by nw12398 on Jun 19, 2020 21:29:51 GMT
There is an argument that Nottingham North was Labour's worst result of all in 1983 (excluding unusual/personal factors in some seats) On looking at this result, I noticed that the constituency had a perennial CPGB candidate - John Peck - who eventually joined the Green Party upon the party's dissolution. Does anyone know if a significant proportion of the CPGB membership went this way? It also reminds me of the fact that the Dutch Communist Party was one of the 4 parties which merged to form GroenLinks, the main green party of the Netherlands; this happened at around the same time that the CPGB dissolved (I wonder if something happened which impacted communism worldwide at the time...).
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 19, 2020 21:36:22 GMT
Merthyr Tydfil 2017. Ind 17 (+10) Lab 15 (-8) Merthyr Ind 1 (-1) UKIP 0 (-1). Changes based on 2012: Ind gain from Lab Dowlais (4) Gurnos (1) Park (1) Town (3) Ind gain from Merthyr Ind Cyfarthfa (1) Ind gain from UKIP Penydarren (1) Lab gain from Ind Treharris (1) The election in Cyfarthfa was postponed after one of the Merthyr Independent candidates died. Split divisions in 2012 were: Cyfarthfa: Ind/Merthyr Ind/Lab Gurnos: 2Ind/2Lab Park: 1Ind/2Lab Penydarren: 2Ind/1Lab Town: 3Ind/1Lab That completes Wales 2017 on LEAP.
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 20, 2020 15:30:21 GMT
City of London Corporation 2017. Ind 85 (-15) Temple and Farringdon Together 10 (+10) Lab 5 (+5). Changes based on 2013: Lab gain from Ind Aldersgate (1) Cripplegate (2) Portsoken (2) Temple and Farringdon Together gain from Ind Farringdon Without (10) Aldersgate, Aldgate, Bassishaw, Bishopsgate, Broad Street and Tower were uncontested. Split wards in 2013 were: Aldersgate: 5Ind/1Lab Cripplesgate: 6Ind/2Lab Portsoken: 2Lab/2Ind
Election results for the Court of Aldermen since January 2010 have now been added and are available at www.andrewteale.me.uk/city-ald
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 20, 2020 22:20:41 GMT
Comhairle nan Eilean Siar 2017. Ind 23 (+2) SNP 7 C 1 (+1) Lab 0 (-3). Changes based on 2012: C gain from SNP Sgir'Uige agus Ceann a Tuath nan Loch (1) Ind gain from Lab Beinn na Foghla agus Uibhist a Tuath (1) Na Hearadh agus Ceann a Deas nan Loch (1) SNP gain from Lab Barraigh, Bhatarsaigh, Eirisgeigh agus Uibhist a Deas (1) That completes Scotland 2017 on LEAP.
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Post by cibwr on Jun 21, 2020 9:10:53 GMT
However, if local government has little real power, is the presence of more councillors necessary? Surely, if you want more local decision making (and I'm not sure I do) then that has to be the priority - not having more councillors with no real power who don't run anything? The two things are hardly unrelated. The steep decline in the number of UK councillors over the last few decades has gone hand-in-hand with Westminster stealing powers away from local government. My view is that both are significant factors in the public's declining trust in politicians - fewer councillors per capita means politicians as a whole are more remote and less rooted in local communities, whilst decision-making being more centralised means that the average person is less able to influence decisions they care about simply because those decisions are being made further away and at a higher level. I tend to agree, though the public seem to want contradictory things, easy access to councillors who will solve their problems, and less councillors. There is a general feeling that the fewer councillors the lower the council tax.... quite erroneous in my view. Wales has seen a drop from over 500 principle authorities to 45 and now to 22. Reform has always been downwards in numbers of councils and councillors. I would want a return to a two tier system, as mooted before, 5 regions (taking over the powers of regional nominated bodies as well as big ticket local government functions) and about 25 -30 districts. I would also keep community councils, probably in some more rural areas merge them so that they represented more than small hamlets (maybe looking at the old rural districts as a basis) but including them for all communities (or small groups of communities) in urban areas. Maybe I'll show my ideas in maps for regions and districts and then look at showing you the warding :-)
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 21, 2020 9:14:08 GMT
I tend to agree, though the public seem to want contradictory things, easy access to councillors who will solve their problems, and less councillors. There is a general feeling that the fewer councillors the lower the council tax.... quite erroneous in my view Not helped when Cameron constantly justified axing 50 MPs from the Commons as "cutting the cost of politics". A hideous soundbite on all levels.
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