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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 10, 2016 10:22:17 GMT
I would be amazed if there was any public endorsement by any part of Momentum for the Greens in Lambeth. The consequences are severe for any Labour Party member publicly supporting an opposing candidate no matter what extenuating circumstances there are (and there are some here, I'm afraid) and I find it pretty hard to believe that any party member would in the current circumstances want to disenfranchise themselves in the NEC elections, for example. More likely is that there was a severe lack of Momentum involvement in the campaign. Momentum are certainly working pretty hard for Rosena Allin-Khan in Tooting. Purely playing Devil's Advocate, I'd assume Momentum would claim to be able to endorse anyone as they're currently unaffiliated to the Party, and endorsing is different than campaigning for (rather like most Republicans in Congress will endorse Trump but do nothing to help secure his election). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:24:02 GMT
There were options to keep the libraries open, but Lambeth preferred to disingenuously claim that a private gym with a few bookshelves and no library staff still counts as a library. (While officially acknowledging that it wouldn't meet the definition of a statutory library service.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:29:09 GMT
Kate Hoey has intervened with her usual delicacy.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 10, 2016 10:31:22 GMT
Wow. Must admit I chortled a bit when I saw Hedgehogs prediction there but he must have been closer than most of us I felt the referendum would push the UKIP vote in Basildon and Lincs, one out of two right there, and was sure we would do well in Gipsy Hill, great campaigns on libraries and housing getting some good coverage didn't see us getting 42% and losing though. Just goes to show there are still areas where Labour haven't learned any lessons and want to live in the Blairite past. The sooner we get electoral reform and the parties split the better |
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Post by thirdchill on Jun 10, 2016 10:41:24 GMT
There were options to keep the libraries open, but Lambeth preferred to disingenuously claim that a private gym with a few bookshelves and no library staff still counts as a library. (While officially acknowledging that it wouldn't meet the definition of a statutory library service.) It would be good to hear about what these other options were. While there may have genuinely been other options to keep the libraries open, it's a line I hear too often from opponents of 'cuts', without actually spelling out what these options are, what the costs of implementing each of these options are as well as the benefits. I'm not saying that lambeth council have necessarily made the right decision, and you are right about what can be called a 'statutory' library service. However opponents of council decisions frequently make claims about all the fantastic options that a council hasn't even considered and how they are such easy and obvious decisions, whilst suggesting that a council has deliberately gone for the worst choice. Whilst this may be true for a number of councils, most councils want to avoid unpopularity like the plague. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:51:28 GMT
The alternative on the table was for all Lambeth libraries to be run by a "staff and community mutual". More detail is here: www.brixtonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Staff-and-community-mutual-report-final.pdf costings are in the final section. This would also have been more in keeping with the co-operative principles that the council periodically likes to espouse. (The plan was not flawless and needed more work in many areas, but the council had no interest in pursuing it regardless.) |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2016 11:15:14 GMT
Kate Hoey has intervened with her usual delicacy. She's not a fan of the council much of the time, which may surprise some. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 11:18:47 GMT
Kate Hoey has intervened with her usual delicacy. She's not a fan of the council much of the time, which may surprise some. She is not best friends with Progress, which dominates the Labour group. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 10, 2016 11:38:48 GMT
She's not a fan of the council much of the time, which may surprise some. She is not best friends with Progress, which dominates the Labour group. She is difficult to pin down politically but style wise she is the antithesis of Progress. I think they must be one of the worst examples of a Labour council in the country. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 10, 2016 11:48:59 GMT
If you want to argue that a far left Labour administration would mean a better-run council, my advice is not to try it in Lambeth of all places.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2016 11:49:55 GMT
That is a fair point, actually  Though I do wonder sometimes if the council now misses Steve Reed...... |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 10, 2016 12:01:06 GMT
She's not a fan of the council much of the time, which may surprise some. She is not best friends with Progress, which dominates the Labour group. She's not best friends with anyone. |
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Jun 10, 2016 12:06:14 GMT
She is not best friends with Progress, which dominates the Labour group. She's not best friends with anyone. Until she looks in the mirror? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 12:10:59 GMT
The alternative on the table was for all Lambeth libraries to be run by a "staff and community mutual". More detail is here: www.brixtonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Staff-and-community-mutual-report-final.pdf costings are in the final section. This would also have been more in keeping with the co-operative principles that the council periodically likes to espouse. (The plan was not flawless and needed more work in many areas, but the council had no interest in pursuing it regardless.) Any idea why they didn't at least look at this seriously .....  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 12:16:12 GMT
The alternative on the table was for all Lambeth libraries to be run by a "staff and community mutual". More detail is here: www.brixtonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Staff-and-community-mutual-report-final.pdf costings are in the final section. This would also have been more in keeping with the co-operative principles that the council periodically likes to espouse. (The plan was not flawless and needed more work in many areas, but the council had no interest in pursuing it regardless.) Any idea why they didn't at least look at this seriously ..... The official reason was that it didn't deliver the necessary savings in 2016-17 (which is questionable). The unofficial reason was that they had already agreed in principle to lease two of the library buildings to GLL, the company which will be providing the gyms. The general view is that if the council had been open minded about the mutual option it could have been made to work and deliver the necessary savings, as it has elsewhere. |
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Post by bolbridge on Jun 10, 2016 12:41:10 GMT
Kate Hoey has intervened with her usual delicacy. They must be doing something right in that case! |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 10, 2016 13:23:47 GMT
That is a fair point, actually Though I do wonder sometimes if the council now misses Steve Reed...... Given they seem to be pursuing the same policies I don't see why they should. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2016 14:08:37 GMT
Oh yeah he was (is) Progress through and through and all that, but also seemed to have some political nous plus a genuine interest in co-operative ideas.
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 10, 2016 14:24:21 GMT
Presumably this is all down to libraries going by what a friend of mine put on Facebook earlier who lives in Gipsy Hill. Seems like Lambeth Labour are returning to type... Libraries, and also a large estate in the ward being potentially subject to demolition and rebuild. She is a librarian (at the British Museum as it happens) so that clearly comes at the top of her list! |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 10, 2016 15:19:19 GMT
Oh yeah he was (is) Progress through and through and all that, but also seemed to have some political nous plus a genuine interest in co-operative ideas. Indeed. However much we like to think that everything is down to external or internal ideology , personalities play a huge part. Reed could probably get everyone onside which restrained the worst excesses of both. Now the lid is off.... |
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