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Post by greenhert on Sept 28, 2016 17:40:09 GMT
Specifics for Solihull and Birmingham proposals of mine, now with accurate data based on ward splitting (since BCE also has data for specific polling districts as well as wards, whereas Boundary Assistant only has ward data). In particular I have had major trouble getting Birmingham plans to work.
1. Meriden (78,184) Loses Polling District BH07 of Bickenhill ward to Solihull.
2. Solihull (75,689) Gains Polling District BH07 of Bickenhill ward from Meriden.
3. Sutton Coldfield (73,172) Unchanged.
4. Birmingham Erdington (77,985) Gains Oscott ward, loses polling district DGH from Stockland Green ward.
5. Birmingham Handsworth (74,708) The Birmingham wards of Aston, Lozells & East Handsworth, Handsworth Wood, and Perry Barr, plus polling districts DGH from Stockland Green ward and polling districts DBA, DBB, and DBC from Soho ward.
6. Birmingham Yardley (78,006) The Birmingham wards of Hodge Hill, Stetchford & Yardley North, Shard End, and Sheldon, and polling districts of South Yardley. 7. Birmingham Sparkbrook & Small Heath (74,233) The Birmingham wards of Nechells, Washwood Heath, Bordesley Green, polling districts DDB-DDI of Sparkbrook ward and polling districts DCE, DCI and DCJ of South Yardley ward (comprising the community of Small Heath) 8. Birmingham Hall Green (78,337) The Birmingham wards of Hall Green, Billesley, Sparkhill and Acocks Green, and polling district DCH of South Yardley ward. 9. Birmingham Selly Oak (77,717) Loses Billesley ward, gains Moseley & King's Heath ward and polling districts CND-CNH of King's Norton ward. 10. Birmingham Northfield (76,240) Gains Bartley Green ward, loses polling districts CND-CNH of King's Norton ward. 11. Birmingham Edgbaston & Ladywood (76,406) The Birmingham wards of Edgbaston, Harborne, Ladywood, polling districts DBD-DBI of Soho ward, and polling districts DDA and DDJ of Sparkbrook ward. |
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Post by rocky on Sept 28, 2016 17:54:32 GMT
I think it would work better to have all of oscott in Erdington, due to strong interconnections with Kingstanding, then Perry Barr/ Handsworth area can be made up quota with some polling districts from round spaghetti junction which connect to the Witton area of Aston and Perry Barr better.
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Post by Adrian on Sept 28, 2016 19:11:07 GMT
I think it would work better to have all of oscott in Erdington, due to strong interconnections with Kingstanding, then Perry Barr/ Handsworth area can be made up quota with some polling districts from round spaghetti junction which connect to the Witton area of Aston and Perry Barr better. As a resident of Oscott ward, I disagree. We're used to being in the Perry Barr seat. And there's a big gap between the communities of Gravelly Hill and Aston/Nechells. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 28, 2016 19:24:49 GMT
I think it would work better to have all of oscott in Erdington, due to strong interconnections with Kingstanding, then Perry Barr/ Handsworth area can be made up quota with some polling districts from round spaghetti junction which connect to the Witton area of Aston and Perry Barr better. The two 'Spaghetti Junction' polling districts in Stockland Green ward are DGE and DGH, specifically, but they alone would not be enough to put my version of Birmingham Handsworth up to quota (67,657+3251=70,908 which is 122 voters below the statutory minimum), so I would have to also add DGD and DGF (which should not be separated from each other if you look closely at the BCE's map) which do not connect nearly as well with Witton. This would give the new electorate of Birmingham Handsworth as 72,669 and the new electorate of Birmingham Erdington as 75,023. |
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Post by rocky on Sept 29, 2016 7:07:24 GMT
I think it would work better to have all of oscott in Erdington, due to strong interconnections with Kingstanding, then Perry Barr/ Handsworth area can be made up quota with some polling districts from round spaghetti junction which connect to the Witton area of Aston and Perry Barr better. As a resident of Oscott ward, I disagree. We're used to being in the Perry Barr seat. And there's a big gap between the communities of Gravelly Hill and Aston/Nechells. Yeah the areas north and south of spaghetti used to be in same ward as well which was my thinking. Im not actually concerned about the proposed erdington seat the commission has, the crazy seats in brum are Northfield, Halesowen including Selly oak and Ladywood. |
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Post by longmonty on Oct 14, 2016 19:11:27 GMT
Have been trying to come up with something to deal with the worst of the commission's draft. Maps below show only seats changed from the draft proposals. Two extra unchanged seats (Solihull; Wyre Forest). Warwick/Leamington; Stratford; mid-Worcs; Meriden; Northfield; Halesowen/RR; Cov NE; Cov NW all now clearly successor of the current seats. No cross-border Warwicks-Worcs seat. No more orphan wards in Wyre Forest & Malvern/Ledbury. Like the commission, only one Birmingham ward in a non-Birmingham seat. Smethwick all in one seat. No silly seat stretching from Smethwick to Castle Vale. I do have one more crossing of the Birmingham boundary but it's worth it in my view.   |
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Post by crossinthebox on Oct 18, 2016 16:10:03 GMT
Just submitted a polite and constructive reply to the West midlands review consultation.
Here is what I really wanted to write though:
Jesus wept your Evesham and S Warks proposal is an absolute horror show. What were you thinking? Was it the last one left when you'd done the rest of the W Midlands? Is that how a motley collection of entirely unconnected wards from Warwickshire were lumped randomly with Evesham? Have you ever spoken to anyone from the area at all?
Is there a private competition between you and whoever devised the Henley and Thame proposals for the most disconnected random shape in the country, or is there a special prize for how many miles you need to drive on B roads to get from one side to the other as there is no other road connectivity whatsoever?
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Post by Foggy on Oct 19, 2016 4:38:02 GMT
Jesus wept your Evesham and S Warks proposal is an absolute horror show. What were you thinking? Was it the last one left when you'd done the rest of the W Midlands? Is that how a motley collection of entirely unconnected wards from Warwickshire were lumped randomly with Evesham? Have you ever spoken to anyone from the area at all?
Ahh, nice to see a new poster who's a man after my own heart. |
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Post by crossinthebox on Oct 19, 2016 15:26:48 GMT
Jesus wept your Evesham and S Warks proposal is an absolute horror show. What were you thinking? Was it the last one left when you'd done the rest of the W Midlands? Is that how a motley collection of entirely unconnected wards from Warwickshire were lumped randomly with Evesham? Have you ever spoken to anyone from the area at all?
Ahh, nice to see a new poster who's a man after my own heart.
heh heh
It really is a strange one. From West of the M5 to East of the M40. Many thousands of people at each end who will never have been to the other end or even heard of the towns and villages there. It utterly ignores roads and schools, and narrows almost to nothing in the middle. The bit of Tewkesbury near Cheltenham is perhaps the only worse bit I can think of, and Henley and Thame is the nearest in terms of general misshapen straggly horribleness
They must presumably have thought about it at least a bit, that's what I can't get my head round. Who on earth said "yeah that's good, go with that"? Bonkers
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Post by YL on Oct 19, 2016 17:17:43 GMT
What stands out about Evesham & South Warwickshire compared to some other bad seats is that it's harder to see why they came up with something so rubbish. Sheffield Hallam & Stocksbridge and Birmingham Ladywood are because of boneheadedness about ward splitting, Henley & Thame is because of sticking to minimal change in a county where it doesn't work very well, and so on. But I can't see any reason why they'd prefer to stick a bit of Warwickshire running all the way over to the M40 in with Evesham when they can just add the Alcester area instead if they need to cross that border.
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Post by Adrian on Oct 19, 2016 22:37:06 GMT
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 19, 2016 23:09:40 GMT
Looks quite good in Birmingham. almost entirely within the city. While some of the WestMids met boundaries are a bit odd, while they're there makes sense to use them. What's the Birmingham ward arrangement? 3x25,000=75,000? |
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Post by connorw on Oct 25, 2016 15:59:58 GMT
I see a lot of you have split wards, I didn't know that was allowed?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 25, 2016 16:15:56 GMT
I see a lot of you have split wards, I didn't know that was allowed? They're allowed, it's just the BCE have an obsession with not proposing them themselves. If a case is made for them that is better than the case for not using them, they are acceptable. |
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Post by Adrian on Oct 25, 2016 16:36:28 GMT
I see a lot of you have split wards, I didn't know that was allowed? The BCE's propaganda machine must be working then! |
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Post by rocky on Oct 29, 2016 0:45:56 GMT
Has anybody seen anything of the political parties counter proposals seems very little floating around this time, sure last time all the parties were more vocal in what they want changed?!
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Post by YL on Oct 29, 2016 7:19:51 GMT
Has anybody seen anything of the political parties counter proposals seems very little floating around this time, sure last time all the parties were more vocal in what they want changed?! The public hearings in this region don't start until next Thursday; I guess we may hear more then. |
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Post by connorw on Oct 29, 2016 9:19:11 GMT
Has anybody seen anything of the political parties counter proposals seems very little floating around this time, sure last time all the parties were more vocal in what they want changed?! I hear most Birmingham Labour MPs are happy with the changes for Birmingham. I doubt it will surprise anyone that Labour are focusing on constituencies such as North Warwickshire, I don't want to say much more than that. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 29, 2016 9:38:59 GMT
Has anybody seen anything of the political parties counter proposals seems very little floating around this time, sure last time all the parties were more vocal in what they want changed?! I hear most Birmingham Labour MPs are happy with the changes for Birmingham. I doubt it will surprise anyone that Labour are focusing on constituencies such as North Warwickshire, I don't want to say much more than that. It's somewhat obvious that Labour's proposals will try to combine Coventry with North Warwickshire. It's the only way for them to avoid the net loss of a nominal seat in that part of the region. I understand that the Greens' proposal for Birmingham is very different from the commission's proposals (though our proposals have not been finalised yet - our process has basically been to ask the local parties to contribute their thoughts, and then have the regional party work out a coherent plan based on what's been submitted. Hopefully the end result is coherent). But I will say no more for now. |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 29, 2016 18:50:54 GMT
I hear most Birmingham Labour MPs are happy with the changes for Birmingham. I doubt it will surprise anyone that Labour are focusing on constituencies such as North Warwickshire, I don't want to say much more than that. It's somewhat obvious that Labour's proposals will try to combine Coventry with North Warwickshire. It's the only way for them to avoid the net loss of a nominal seat in that part of the region. I understand that the Greens' proposal for Birmingham is very different from the commission's proposals (though our proposals have not been finalised yet - our process has basically been to ask the local parties to contribute their thoughts, and then have the regional party work out a coherent plan based on what's been submitted. Hopefully the end result is coherent). But I will say no more for now. I think that is the best course of action anyway, to minimise disruption in Solihull and make sure there is no cross-county Warwickshire/Worcestershire seat. |
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