2018 Review - North East England

[alexander]

Apr 30, 2016 11:12:35 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

I still think a Tyne Bridge seat is reasonable, so I'm still in favour of my initial efforts with a couple of modifications (least change in Middlesborough; putting Prudhoe into Blaydon and using that to neaten up Tyne Bridge.)

But if you are dead set against it, here's a plausible option for Northumberland and Tyneside which I think works reasonably well:



Berwick and Morpeth (73286) - Berwick gains Pegswood, Bellingham and Morpeth
Ashington & Blyth (73869) - the rest of Wansbeck, plus Blyth town and Hartley
Tynemouth (74618) - unchanged
North Tyneside (76427) - unchanged
Newcastle East (72409) - gains Gosforth
Newcastle West (77078) - successor to Central, loses West Gosforth and gains the old Newburn UD
Cramlington & Newcastle North (73901) - Holywell, Seghill with Seaton Delaval, Cramlington, Ponteland and the Newcastle wards of Castle, Woolsington, Fawdon and Parklands
Blaydon & Hexham (72591) - the rest of Hexham and the five westernmost wards of Gateshead
Gateshead (75965) - loses Felling, High Fell and Windy Nook & Whitehills, gains Birtley, Lamesley and Whickham
Jarrow & Gateshead East (74770) - loses the two Boldon wards, gains Simonside & Rekendyke from South Shields and Felling, High Fell and Windy Nook & Whitehills from Gateshead
South Shields (71143) - gains the Boldon wards, loses Simonside & Rekendyke

The Gateshead and South Tyneside portion appears to have been proposed in identical form by longmonty. The major problem there is putting Simonside & Rekendyke into the Jarrow seat, but the Simonside area at least appears to have close links to the Bede Estate. You can fix this, but only at the cost of splitting Whickham, which isn't any better.

The innovative bit is what I've done with Cramlington. Whilst several plans have linked it with North Tyneside, I think this is much worse than Tyne Bridge, because you aren't just crossing a local authority boundary, you're also creating a lot of unnecessary change (I don't accept that the Tyne is a particularly impermeable physical or social barrier in the city centre.)

On the other hand, putting Cramlington directly with Newcastle makes a lot of sense. There are good links down the A1 (which does go through North Tyneside, but if you're driving you're not likely to notice this) and it's clearly commuter suburbia. The case for putting Ponteland with northern Newcastle is even more obvious.

What's more, this permits a nice split of Newcastle straight through the city centre, and being able to keep the cohesive block of four wards in the south-west together is a nice bonus.

[alexander]

Apr 30, 2016 11:12:35 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

<abbr>How do you share links for excel?</abbr>

[alexander]

hello.how do u share a link to an excel spreadsheet. i have a proposal for northumberland.

[alexander]

Apr 16, 2016 12:02:35 GMT minionofmidas said:

Mar 21, 2016 8:57:03 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Yes, it only makes sense if a) you're trying to gerrymander and b) you are assuming that the Commission will be too busy sniffing glue to notice. Even then, the numbers don't really work.

Hexham and Cramlington is ugly and poorly connected, but Berwick and Hexham would be worse by an order of magnitude.

(All of this assuming the Prudhoe transfer - I didn't bother drawing anything without it.)

The main issue with the Tory gerrymander is of course the random chop of Choppington. Probably inspired by the place name or something. Realistically speaking, Blyth and Ashington without Cramlington has an electorate of 81.5k that oughtn't to be removed from. Chopping Choppington in half is what the zombie commissioners did, you can at least use both wards now. Or else use West Bedlington instead for a slightly cleaner look and  respected parish boundaries (bottom left right) - though in fact you're back to running the boundary through builtup residential territory.

If you want to do the Labour gerrymander instead, move Pontisland into Blyth Valley and all of the old Castle Morpeth seat plus Amble into Wansbeck (bottom right left). Unapologetic gerrymanders, they both are.

If you want to try to avoid either, let me suggest the thing at top left. One Labour pack, one Tory pack, nobody's happy. Someone else do the math on who'd actually win Ashington & Berwick (though the math would be misleading, actually, because Alan Beith).

You can even have your Hexham & Berwick cake and eat it too (top right), though I don't see whose preferred option that would be.

[alexander]

Apr 16, 2016 12:02:35 GMT minionofmidas said:

Mar 21, 2016 8:57:03 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Yes, it only makes sense if a) you're trying to gerrymander and b) you are assuming that the Commission will be too busy sniffing glue to notice. Even then, the numbers don't really work.

Hexham and Cramlington is ugly and poorly connected, but Berwick and Hexham would be worse by an order of magnitude.

(All of this assuming the Prudhoe transfer - I didn't bother drawing anything without it.)

The main issue with the Tory gerrymander is of course the random chop of Choppington. Probably inspired by the place name or something. Realistically speaking, Blyth and Ashington without Cramlington has an electorate of 81.5k that oughtn't to be removed from. Chopping Choppington in half is what the zombie commissioners did, you can at least use both wards now. Or else use West Bedlington instead for a slightly cleaner look and  respected parish boundaries (bottom left right) - though in fact you're back to running the boundary through builtup residential territory.

If you want to do the Labour gerrymander instead, move Pontisland into Blyth Valley and all of the old Castle Morpeth seat plus Amble into Wansbeck (bottom right left). Unapologetic gerrymanders, they both are.

If you want to try to avoid either, let me suggest the thing at top left. One Labour pack, one Tory pack, nobody's happy. Someone else do the math on who'd actually win Ashington & Berwick (though the math would be misleading, actually, because Alan Beith).

You can even have your Hexham & Berwick cake and eat it too (top right), though I don't see whose preferred option that would be.

[La Fontaine]

Mar 16, 2017 20:01:56 GMT alexander said:

Apr 30, 2016 11:12:35 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

I still think a Tyne Bridge seat is reasonable, so I'm still in favour of my initial efforts with a couple of modifications (least change in Middlesborough; putting Prudhoe into Blaydon and using that to neaten up Tyne Bridge.)

But if you are dead set against it, here's a plausible option for Northumberland and Tyneside which I think works reasonably well:



Berwick and Morpeth (73286) - Berwick gains Pegswood, Bellingham and Morpeth
Ashington & Blyth (73869) - the rest of Wansbeck, plus Blyth town and Hartley
Tynemouth (74618) - unchanged
North Tyneside (76427) - unchanged
Newcastle East (72409) - gains Gosforth
Newcastle West (77078) - successor to Central, loses West Gosforth and gains the old Newburn UD
Cramlington & Newcastle North (73901) - Holywell, Seghill with Seaton Delaval, Cramlington, Ponteland and the Newcastle wards of Castle, Woolsington, Fawdon and Parklands
Blaydon & Hexham (72591) - the rest of Hexham and the five westernmost wards of Gateshead
Gateshead (75965) - loses Felling, High Fell and Windy Nook & Whitehills, gains Birtley, Lamesley and Whickham
Jarrow & Gateshead East (74770) - loses the two Boldon wards, gains Simonside & Rekendyke from South Shields and Felling, High Fell and Windy Nook & Whitehills from Gateshead
South Shields (71143) - gains the Boldon wards, loses Simonside & Rekendyke

The Gateshead and South Tyneside portion appears to have been proposed in identical form by longmonty. The major problem there is putting Simonside & Rekendyke into the Jarrow seat, but the Simonside area at least appears to have close links to the Bede Estate. You can fix this, but only at the cost of splitting Whickham, which isn't any better.

The innovative bit is what I've done with Cramlington. Whilst several plans have linked it with North Tyneside, I think this is much worse than Tyne Bridge, because you aren't just crossing a local authority boundary, you're also creating a lot of unnecessary change (I don't accept that the Tyne is a particularly impermeable physical or social barrier in the city centre.)

On the other hand, putting Cramlington directly with Newcastle makes a lot of sense. There are good links down the A1 (which does go through North Tyneside, but if you're driving you're not likely to notice this) and it's clearly commuter suburbia. The case for putting Ponteland with northern Newcastle is even more obvious.

What's more, this permits a nice split of Newcastle straight through the city centre, and being able to keep the cohesive block of four wards in the south-west together is a nice bonus.

I have submitted a very similar scheme, but with different arrangement in Newcastle. Parklands should be put with Gosforth, for example. I am not supporting this scheme, as a restored Tyne Bridge is preferable in my view. The case for it gets stronger all the time. I merely said that a Newcastle/Cramlington/Ponteland constituency would be preferable to the Lib-Dems' proposals (and to Oskar Avery's).
Also, it is possible to solve the "Rekendyke" problem without splitting Whickham. I shuffled the Gateshead wards around and came up with a solution, while putting Simonside & Rekendyke back into South Shields.
PS Haltwhistle left out of map.

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2017 20:08:25 GMT alexander said:

hello.how do u share a link to an excel spreadsheet. i have a proposal for northumberland.

I recommend the very useful Google Sheets, if you have an e-mail account with them. You can get shareable links.

Welcome to the forum, anyway!

[Deleted]

Tyne Bridge is just horrible. Sorry. If you must cross the Tyne do so way off to the west.

Blaydon and Hexham is pretty horrid too.

[La Fontaine]

My Gateshead & South Tyneside constituencies to solve the Rekendyke problem would be: Gateshead Central & South (Birtley, Chowdene, Dunston & Teams, Dunston Hill & Whickham East, High Fell, Lamesley, Lobley Hill & Bensham, Low Fell,  Whickham North, Whickham South & Sunniside, Windy Nook & Whitehills) 71,768; Jarrow & Gateshead East (Bridges, Felling, Deckham, Pelaw & Heworth, Saltwell, Wardley & Leam Lane, Bede, Fellgate & Hedworth, Hebburn North, Hebburn South, Monkton, Primrose) 72,643.
This all depends on a Hexham & Blaydon constituency and a Newcastle/Ponteland/Cramlington constituency, which would horrify the Ponteland Tories etc.

[The Bishop]

I know I'm in a minority here, but I never found the old Tyne Bridge seat that objectionable.

[Pete Whitehead]

Mar 17, 2017 11:24:11 GMT The Bishop said:

I know I'm in a minority here, but I never found the old Tyne Bridge seat that objectionable.

I don't know if you're in that small a minority (it doesn't appear so from comments on here). My own view is that I disliked that seat at the time but now it seems like the least bad option and the fact it has existed previously and therefore set a precedent is one of the reasons I feel that way. Similar to the Poplar & Canning Town seat which I strongly resented at the time it was first created, primarily for breaching the old LCC boundary, but now is my much preferred option for the necessary Lea crossing

[erimus58]

Just a quick question. Does anybody know if it is possible to replace the word Middlesborough with Middlesbrough whenever it is typed?

Even as I grow older and calmer there is still something within me that causes a red mist to descend whenever I see my home town described as Middlesborough.

Although the football team is known as the Boro most of the people I know pronounce the town Middlesbro.

[sirbenjamin]

I've spent the last few days up in the North East, which prompted me to come up with the following set of boundaries:

Minimal crossing of local authorities. A three-seat Northumberland. Darlington on its own. No Seat containing wards from more than two LAs. No single orphan wards (Not even sure there are any orphaned pairs). The Tyne crossing is upstream with plenty of bridges. What's not to like?

ConstituencyNum ConstituencyName WardName WardElectorate LocalAuthority CurrentConst
1 Darlington Sadberge and Middleton St George 4598 Darlington Sedgefield
1 Darlington Bank Top and Lascelles 4550 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Brinkburn and Faverdale 4553 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Cockerton 4534 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington College 3288 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Eastbourne 4571 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Harrowgate Hill 4809 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Haughton and Springfield 4733 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Heighington and Coniscliffe 3276 Darlington Sedgefield
1 Darlington Hummersknott 3168 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Hurworth 2867 Darlington Sedgefield
1 Darlington Mowden 3102 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington North Road 4231 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Northgate 2453 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Park East 4488 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Park West 3282 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Pierremont 4233 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Red Hall and Lingfield 2548 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Stephenson 2474 Darlington Darlington
1 Darlington Whinfield 3171 Darlington Darlington
2 Sunderland Central Hendon 7538 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central Millfield 6920 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central St Michael's 8157 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central Silksworth 8109 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
2 Sunderland Central Ryhope 7964 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central Barnes 8501 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central Pallion 7202 Sunderland Sunderland Central
2 Sunderland Central St Chad's 7547 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
2 Sunderland Central Sandhill 7976 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
2 Sunderland Central St Anne's 8084 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North Washington West 8978 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North Washington South 7846 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North Washington Central 8654 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North St Peter's 8081 Sunderland Sunderland Central
3 Sunderland North Fulwell 8984 Sunderland Sunderland Central
3 Sunderland North Southwick 7885 Sunderland Sunderland Central
3 Sunderland North Redhill 8107 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North Castle 8332 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
3 Sunderland North Washington North 8183 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Copt Hill 8767 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Houghton 9016 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Hetton 8632 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Doxford 7563 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Shiney Row 9719 Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Washington East 8801 Sunderland Washington & Sunderland West
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Seaham 5270 Durham Easington
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Dawdon 5868 Durham Easington
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Deneside 5280 Durham Easington
4 Sunderland South and Seaham Murton 5820 Durham Easington
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden De Bruce 5597 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Burn Valley 5903 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Fens and Rossmere 7003 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Foggy Furze 6286 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Hart 6731 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Headland and Harbour 5358 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Jesmond 6179 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Manor House 7188 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Rural West 5815 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Seaton 6693 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Victoria 5448 Hartlepool Hartlepool
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Blackhalls 6101 Durham Easington
5 Hartlepool and Hesleden Wingate 2913 Durham Sedgefield
6 Wallsend Weetslade 7650 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Battle Hill 7985 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Benton 7622 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Camperdown 7711 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Howdon 7717 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Killingworth 8087 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Longbenton 7845 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Northumberland 6580 North Tyneside Tyneside North
6 Wallsend Valley 8301 North Tyneside Tynemouth
6 Wallsend Wallsend 7425 North Tyneside Tyneside North
7 Hexham and Morpeth Ponteland South with Heddon 3351 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Prudhoe South 3739 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth South Tynedale 3831 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Ponteland North 3644 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Bellingham 3050 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Bywell 3457 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Corbridge 3353 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Haltwhistle 3583 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Haydon and Hadrian 3321 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Hexham Central with Acomb 3235 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Hexham East 3228 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Hexham West 3177 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Humshaugh 3244 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Longhorsley 3201 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
7 Hexham and Morpeth Morpeth Kirkhill 4015 Northumberland Wansbeck
7 Hexham and Morpeth Morpeth North 3650 Northumberland Wansbeck
7 Hexham and Morpeth Morpeth Stobhill 3502 Northumberland Wansbeck
7 Hexham and Morpeth Ponteland West 3275 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Prudhoe North 4112 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Rothbury 3957 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
7 Hexham and Morpeth Stocksfield and Broomhaugh 3808 Northumberland Hexham
7 Hexham and Morpeth Pegswood 3833 Northumberland Wansbeck
8 Tynemouth St Mary's 6844 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Monkseaton North 6869 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Whitley Bay 7098 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Cullercoats 7424 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Tynemouth 8201 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Monkseaton South 7427 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Preston 6587 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Collingwood 8096 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Chirton 7771 North Tyneside Tynemouth
8 Tynemouth Riverside 7805 North Tyneside Tyneside North
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Aycliffe North and Middridge 7790 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Aycliffe West 5403 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Aycliffe East 6240 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Chilton 2970 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Bishop Middleham and Cornforth 2937 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Ferryhill 8151 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Sedgefield 6274 Durham Sedgefield
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Northern Parishes 2954 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Billingham North 6943 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Shildon and Dene Valley 9384 Durham Bishop Auckland
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Billingham East 4935 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Billingham Central 5136 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
9 Sedgefield and Billingham Billingham West 4521 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
10 Durham and Consett Lanchester 5871 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Consett South 2886 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Delves Lane 6026 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Consett North 5761 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Benfieldside 6180 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Esh and Witton Gilbert 6192 Durham Durham North West
10 Durham and Consett Deerness 9018 Durham Durham, City Of
10 Durham and Consett Brandon 7146 Durham Durham, City Of
10 Durham and Consett Neville's Cross 6502 Durham Durham, City Of
10 Durham and Consett Elvet and Gilesgate 4081 Durham Durham, City Of
10 Durham and Consett Framwellgate and Newton Hall 10175 Durham Durham, City Of
10 Durham and Consett Durham South 1619 Durham Durham, City Of
11 Chester le Street Stanley 6187 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Pelton 9889 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street North Lodge 2828 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Lumley 5527 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Chester-le-Street East 2919 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Chester-le-Street West Central 5825 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Chester-le-Street North 2999 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Chester-le-Street South 5937 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Sacriston 5357 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Tanfield 6495 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Craghead and South Moor 5177 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Annfield Plain 5670 Durham Durham North
11 Chester le Street Burnopfield and Dipton 5962 Durham Durham North West
11 Chester le Street Leadgate and Medomsley 6440 Durham Durham North West
12 Blyth Valley Bedlington Central 3483 Northumberland Wansbeck
12 Blyth Valley Bedlington East 3130 Northumberland Wansbeck
12 Blyth Valley Bedlington West 3577 Northumberland Wansbeck
12 Blyth Valley Cowpen 3050 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington East 2751 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington Eastfield 3840 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington North 4015 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington South East 3738 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington Village 3445 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Cramlington West 3737 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Croft 2883 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Hartley 3883 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Holywell 3966 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Isabella 3102 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Kitty Brewster 4009 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Newsham 3179 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Plessey 3283 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Seghill with Seaton Delaval 4146 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley South Blyth 3579 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Wensleydale 3213 Northumberland Blyth Valley
12 Blyth Valley Ponteland East and Stannington 3297 Northumberland Hexham
12 Blyth Valley Sleekburn 3180 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Berwick North 3146 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Berwick West with Ord 2943 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Norham and Islandshires 3440 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Alnwick 7449 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Amble 3408 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Amble West with Warkworth 3318 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Ashington Central 3181 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Bamburgh 3450 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Berwick East 3215 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Bothal 3420 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington College 3368 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Druridge Bay 3936 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Haydon 3486 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Hirst 3113 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Longhoughton 3286 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Lynemouth 3207 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Newbiggin Central and East 3378 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Seaton with Newbiggin West 3425 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Shilbottle 3962 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Wooler 3318 Northumberland Berwick-Upon-Tweed
13 Berwick and Ashington Choppington 3442 Northumberland Wansbeck
13 Berwick and Ashington Stakeford 3505 Northumberland Wansbeck
14 Peterlee Easington 5559 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Horden 5809 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Passfield 3539 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Peterlee East 5484 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Peterlee West 6119 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Shotton and South Hetton 6413 Durham Easington
14 Peterlee Trimdon and Thornley 9411 Durham Sedgefield
14 Peterlee Sherburn 6531 Durham Durham, City Of
14 Peterlee Belmont 10115 Durham Durham, City Of
14 Peterlee Coxhoe 9280 Durham Durham, City Of
14 Peterlee Tudhoe 6079 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Barnard Castle East 6492 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Barnard Castle West 6319 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Evenwood 6231 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle West Auckland 6375 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Woodhouse Close 6032 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Bishop Auckland Town 5947 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Coundon 3010 Durham Bishop Auckland
15 Auckland Castle Crook 8995 Durham Durham North West
15 Auckland Castle Willington and Hunwick 6822 Durham Durham North West
15 Auckland Castle Weardale 6406 Durham Durham North West
15 Auckland Castle Tow Law 3233 Durham Durham North West
15 Auckland Castle Spennymoor 8444 Durham Bishop Auckland
16 Stockton Central Bishopsgarth and Elm Tree 5023 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Fairfield 4535 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Grangefield 5133 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Hardwick 4813 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Hartburn 5256 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Newtown 4771 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Norton North 4767 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Norton South 4517 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Norton West 5062 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Parkfield and Oxbridge 5117 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Roseworth 4922 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Stockton Town Centre 3971 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Eaglescliffe 7912 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
16 Stockton Central Western Parishes 2634 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
16 Stockton Central Billingham South 4671 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton North
17 Middlesborough East and Eston South Bank 4604 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Teesville 4839 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Normanby 5589 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Ormesby 4575 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Brambles and Thorntree 5418 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Park End and Beckfield 5625 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Nunthorpe 3891 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Marton West 4210 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Marton East 4066 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Berwick Hills and Pallister 5879 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston North Ormesby 1570 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Ladgate 3860 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Longlands and Beechwood 6171 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Grangetown 2879 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Acklam 4288 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Kader 4413 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Coulby Newham 6366 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland St Germain's 4835 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Brotton 5151 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Coatham 3598 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Dormanstown 4951 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Guisborough 5512 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Hutton 5841 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Kirkleatham 5397 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Lockwood 1509 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Loftus 4586 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Longbeck 5355 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Newcomen 3124 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Saltburn 4664 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Skelton 5641 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland West Dyke 5943 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Westworth 3436 Redcar and Cleveland Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Zetland 3408 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
18 Redcar and East Cleveland Eston 4928 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ayresome 3988 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Linthorpe 4266 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Trimdon 3573 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Mandale and Victoria 7267 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Stainsby Hill 4740 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Village 5202 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ingleby Barwick East 7467 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Yarm 7385 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ingleby Barwick West 8184 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Park 6383 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Stainton and Thornton 1844 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Hemlington 4386 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Newport 5012 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Central 4953 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
20 South Shields Cleadon and East Boldon 6954 South Tyneside Jarrow
20 South Shields Whiteleas 6529 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Cleadon Park 5695 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Whitburn and Marsden 5781 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Westoe 5568 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Beacon and Bents 6735 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Horsley Hill 7114 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields West Park 6205 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Harton 6775 South Tyneside South Shields
20 South Shields Boldon Colliery 7358 South Tyneside Jarrow
20 South Shields Biddick and All Saints 6429 South Tyneside South Shields
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Pelaw and Heworth 6373 Gateshead Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Wardley and Leam Lane 5972 Gateshead Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Hebburn North 6930 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Fellgate and Hedworth 5835 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Felling 5586 Gateshead Gateshead
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Hebburn South 6234 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Monkton 6307 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Primrose 6293 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Bede 5956 South Tyneside Jarrow
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Simonside and Rekendyke 6324 South Tyneside South Shields
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Deckham 6371 Gateshead Gateshead
21 Jarrow and Gateshead North Bridges 5316 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Lamesley 6963 Gateshead Blaydon
22 Gateshead Northangel Birtley 5984 Gateshead Blaydon
22 Gateshead Northangel Chowdene 6892 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Low Fell 6910 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Lobley Hill and Bensham 6860 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel High Fell 5895 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Saltwell 5470 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Windy Nook and Whitehills 7065 Gateshead Gateshead
22 Gateshead Northangel Whickham South and Sunniside 6483 Gateshead Blaydon
22 Gateshead Northangel Chopwell and Rowlands Gill 6954 Gateshead Blaydon
22 Gateshead Northangel Winlaton and High Spen 6702 Gateshead Blaydon
23 Newcastle East South Jesmond 5561 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East North Jesmond 5945 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East Ouseburn 6283 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East South Heaton 5636 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East Byker 7074 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East Walker 7297 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East Walkergate 6782 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East Dene 7083 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East North Heaton 6746 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne East
23 Newcastle East East Gosforth 6874 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
23 Newcastle East West Gosforth 7128 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
24 Newcastle North Fawdon 7035 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Parklands 7562 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Kenton 7498 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
24 Newcastle North Castle 8578 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Woolsington 7521 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Blakelaw 7696 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
24 Newcastle North Westerhope 7443 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Denton 7356 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
24 Newcastle North Fenham 7521 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
24 Newcastle North Wingrove 6086 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Lemington 7030 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Ryton, Crookhill and Stella 6818 Gateshead Blaydon
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Crawcrook and Greenside 6659 Gateshead Blaydon
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Blaydon 6953 Gateshead Blaydon
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Whickham North 6307 Gateshead Blaydon
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Benwell and Scotswood 8020 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Dunston Hill and Whickham East 6586 Gateshead Blaydon
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Dunston and Teams 5823 Gateshead Gateshead
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Newburn 6894 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne North
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Elswick 6495 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central
25 Newcastle West and Blaydon Westgate 5039 Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne Central

[Foggy]

Mar 21, 2017 23:09:17 GMT sirbenjamin said:

What's not to like?

Apart from 'Stockton Central' crossing the Tees, and Middlesbrough being misspelt... the way you've formatted the post by copying and pasting exported data from Boundary Assistant, quite frankly.

There isn't a style guide as such, but I think most would agree that it isn't the most helpful way to present your proposals. Since that's only your 35th post on the forum I suppose it's not a big deal. However, as a piece of friendly advice I suggest you try at least one of the following instead: take a screengrab of the map and post the image here; put the data into a Google Docs spreadsheet and then link to that here; and use posts upthread by the likes of greenhert, islington and La Fontaine as a template. 

[erimus58]

Mar 21, 2017 23:09:17 GMT sirbenjamin said:

What's not to like?


17 Middlesborough East and Eston South Bank 4604 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Teesville 4839 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Normanby 5589 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Ormesby 4575 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Brambles and Thorntree 5418 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Park End and Beckfield 5625 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Nunthorpe 3891 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Marton West 4210 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Marton East 4066 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Berwick Hills and Pallister 5879 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston North Ormesby 1570 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Ladgate 3860 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Longlands and Beechwood 6171 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Grangetown 2879 Redcar and Cleveland Redcar
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Acklam 4288 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Kader 4413 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
17 Middlesborough East and Eston Coulby Newham 6366 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East          

19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ayresome 3988 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Linthorpe 4266 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Trimdon 3573 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Mandale and Victoria 7267 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Stainsby Hill 4740 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Village 5202 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ingleby Barwick East 7467 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Yarm 7385 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Ingleby Barwick West 8184 Stockton-on-Tees Stockton South
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Park 6383 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Stainton and Thornton 1844 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Hemlington 4386 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Newport 5012 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
19 Middlesborough West and Thornaby Central 4953 Middlesbrough Middlesbrough          

I'm fairly sure that there is plenty not to like in your post!

[Adrian]

A quick reminder of the beauty of my plan: www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1F2dGRzR5PioXhYfTgHKaP6B2OjE&ll=54.78405789999999%2C-1.447448500000064&z=10

[greenhert]

Mar 17, 2017 12:11:27 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Mar 17, 2017 11:24:11 GMT The Bishop said:

I know I'm in a minority here, but I never found the old Tyne Bridge seat that objectionable.

I don't know if you're in that small a minority (it doesn't appear so from comments on here). My own view is that I disliked that seat at the time but now it seems like the least bad option and the fact it has existed previously and therefore set a precedent is one of the reasons I feel that way. Similar to the Poplar & Canning Town seat which I strongly resented at the time it was first created, primarily for breaching the old LCC boundary, but now is my much preferred option for the necessary Lea crossing

Same here-although I have proposed that it be called Bow & Canning Town instead of Poplar & Canning Town.

[La Fontaine]

Just to give a "state of play" as far as I can judge. I think "Hexham & Morpeth" and a divided Ponteland have been pretty comprehensively rubbished and will be dropped. I think the Tories' three-seat Northumberland is probably a non-runner because of knock-ons. There are three cross-Tyne possibilities: Blaydon/Newburn, Tyne Bridge, Hexham & Blaydon. All have disadvantages & I cannot forecast which will win.
The Blaydon/Winlaton split is ridiculous and will be dropped, surely?
In the south, Yarm will stay with Stockton. There will be a Middlesbrough & Thornaby.
Hartlepool will be divided owing to a failure of anyone to mount a serious campaign against it.
Teesdale will be united.

[sirbenjamin]

Mar 21, 2017 23:51:17 GMT Foggy said:

Mar 21, 2017 23:09:17 GMT sirbenjamin said:

What's not to like?

Apart from 'Stockton Central' crossing the Tees, and Middlesbrough being misspelt... the way you've formatted the post by copying and pasting exported data from Boundary Assistant, quite frankly.

There isn't a style guide as such, but I think most would agree that it isn't the most helpful way to present your proposals. Since that's only your 35th post on the forum I suppose it's not a big deal. However, as a piece of friendly advice I suggest you try at least one of the following instead: take a screengrab of the map and post the image here; put the data into a Google Docs spreadsheet and then link to that here; and use posts upthread by the likes of greenhert, islington and La Fontaine as a template. 

Duly noted. I guess I was posting what I usually want to see, which is the composition of seats as components of LAs rather than visual maps.

My Stockton Central doesn't cross the Tees though, the boundary runs alongside the river from Teesmouth all the way to the regional border.

[jamie]

Some maps of what I hope (but do not expect) to be the final proposal. I've come to basically accept the commissions proposals for Northumberland and North Tyneside. Big changes to basically everything south of the Tyne. Somewhat unhappy with a few constituencies, but mostly happy and a big improvement on the commissions proposals.







 



Ashington and Berwick
Hexham and Morpeth
Blyth and Cramlington
Tynemouth
Wallsend and Benton
Newcastle West
Newcastle North East
Tyne Bridge
Blaydon
Jarrow and Felling
South Shields
Sunderland North
Sunderland West and Houghton
Sunderland South and Peterlee
Washington and Chester-Le-Street
Consett and Stanley
Durham
Bishop Auckland
Billingham and Newton Aycliffe
Hartlepool
Stockton
Middlesbrough West and Thornaby
Middlesbrough East and Eston
Redcar