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Post by greenhert on Dec 12, 2016 21:25:18 GMT
I believe that however the BCE/BCW/BCS/BCNI responds to these proposals and makes revisions based on them, that:
1. It is (practically) a foregone conclusion that these constituencies will effectively disappear: Wirral South, Lancaster & Fleetwood, Wansbeck, Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central, Workington, Stockton North, Haltemprice & Howden, Witham, Chelsea & Fulham, Faversham & Mid Kent, Meon Valley, North Cornwall, North Herefordshire, Kenilworth & Southam, Arfon, Montgomeryshire, Carmarthen West & South Pembrokeshire, Cardiff Central, Newport East, Islwyn, Delyn, Belfast South, Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath, and Ross, Skye & Lochaber. I have worked this out from comparisons between the never-used 2013 boundaries, the initial proposals for 2018, geography of existing constituencies that need to expand, and sensible reasons for keeping certain constituencies (even if in substantially modified form).
2. At least a few ward splits will occur somewhere in the end despite the Boundary Commission being reluctant to split wards, simply for community cohesion purposes.
3. That many awkward proposals will still get through for one reason or another in spite of objections from local residents-inevitable every time there is a boundary review in Britain.
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Post by Foggy on Dec 14, 2016 17:58:14 GMT
I got an e-mail from the 'Review Manager' today about possible redaction of personal details which gave me the chance to explain why I have an address in the South West but claim to know parts of the South East well.
I said they could go ahead and publish my submission with either my former address in Eastbourne (which wouldn't really be fair on the present occupant) or my current one.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 14, 2016 23:31:51 GMT
At my presentation at the Sheffield hearing I made a point of mentioning the forum and that members examined and discussed proposals and counterproposals, and used some members' proposals as examples. If the Commission do read this and related threads (hi there!) I'm sure they'll see we put thought into proposals and don't just whip up something on a fag packet.
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Post by islington on Feb 8, 2017 19:01:38 GMT
In praise of the Boundary Commission - No. 2 in a (probably) short series
A few weeks ago I posted some kind words about the BCE's not-bad plans in Bucks.
I'd like to add former Humberside to this list. I don't agree with splitting Grimsby, but I see why they've done it. It's possible to keep the town together (more or less), but there are tricky knock-on consequences elsewhere - as illustrated in various schemes in the Y&H thread, including mine.
And once you get past the Grimsby split, the BCE scheme is pretty good - it keeps Axholme together, it carves up Hull/Haltemprice in a pretty logical way, and it manages to keep two existing seats unchanged, namely Beverley and E Yorks (I know some people don't like the latter name, and nor do I; but its boundaries are good).
I'm posting this comment here, rather than in the Y&H thread, in case anyone wants to nominate anywhere else in the country where the BCE (or BCS, &c) deserves bouquets rather than brickbats.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 8, 2017 21:38:55 GMT
I think they did Bedfordshire pretty well. I wouldn't be averse to a little tinkering with the rural seats, but Luton and Bedford are both about as good as you can get them.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 8, 2017 22:39:23 GMT
I think they got Devonwall and Cumbria spot on, and moved in the right direction in the Brighton & Hove and Bournemouth/Christchurch/Poole areas, plus the Stockport/East Cheshire and Herts/Cambs borders.
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Post by La Fontaine on Feb 10, 2017 10:14:19 GMT
I believe that however the BCE/BCW/BCS/BCNI responds to these proposals and makes revisions based on them, that: 1. It is (practically) a foregone conclusion that these constituencies will effectively disappear: Wirral South, Lancaster & Fleetwood, Wansbeck, Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central, Workington, Stockton North, Haltemprice & Howden, Witham, Chelsea & Fulham, Faversham & Mid Kent, Meon Valley, North Cornwall, North Herefordshire, Kenilworth & Southam, Arfon, Montgomeryshire, Carmarthen West & South Pembrokeshire, Cardiff Central, Newport East, Islwyn, Delyn, Belfast South, Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath, and Ross, Skye & Lochaber. I have worked this out from comparisons between the never-used 2013 boundaries, the initial proposals for 2018, geography of existing constituencies that need to expand, and sensible reasons for keeping certain constituencies (even if in substantially modified form). 2. At least a few ward splits will occur somewhere in the end despite the Boundary Commission being reluctant to split wards, simply for community cohesion purposes. 3. That many awkward proposals will still get through for one reason or another in spite of objections from local residents-inevitable every time there is a boundary review in Britain. My Ashington & Blyth (or SE Northumberland) contains 74% of Wansbeck (and 50% of Blyth Valley).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:48:50 GMT
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Post by robert1 on Feb 15, 2017 19:25:22 GMT
That's very good of them. Those dates will keep us all occupied between the end of campaigning in the by-elections and the nomination date for the local elections.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 28, 2017 0:36:38 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Feb 28, 2017 0:39:52 GMT
Yes, there are far too many off-topic and non sequitur remarks of that nature.
Just checking my region at the moment. JRM thinks there is a 'York Inner' seat, but does have good knowledge of the ancient hundreds of Somerset. The Tory attempt to gerrymander Exeter could hardly be less subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 0:48:45 GMT
"Denny" in Scotland has copy/pasted the same anti-everything comment as far as the eye can see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 0:51:03 GMT
Scottish Conservative proposals for Highlands etc.
3.7.9 We propose therefore: ● Argyll, Bute and Lochaber, including Highland Ward 22, with 73,889 electors; ● Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty (proposed Highland North) with 73,147 electors; ● Inverness and Skye, including all of Ward 12, but none of Ward 21, with 72,053 electors; ● Perthshire North and Badenoch, including Highland Ward 21 and Perth and Kinross Wards 2-5 and 10-12, with 75,177 electors; ● Kinross, Strathearn and Stirlingshire, including Perth and Kinross Wards 1, and 6-9, and Stirling Wards 1-3, with 71,567 electors; ● Stirling and Larbert, including Stirling Wards 4-7 and Falkirk Wards 2 (part) and 3-5, with 75,694 electors; and ● Falkirk (as in the Initial Proposals), with 73,839 electors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 1:01:04 GMT
The BCE has put the hearings on YouTube....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 1:09:11 GMT
I'd be very surprised if "Lancaster and Morcambe" and "North Lancashire" survive. Lots and lots of opposition to Morecambe being attached to Lancaster (in the 1970s as well as in these proposals).
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 28, 2017 1:55:50 GMT
Odd, quite a lot of the map pinned comments give me "You do not have access to view this comment. The comment id is:BCE-xxxxx".
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Post by iain on Feb 28, 2017 2:25:03 GMT
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 28, 2017 2:38:51 GMT
Reading the Yorkshire LibDems submission leaves me wondering if they are commenting on the same proposals the rest of us were.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 28, 2017 3:03:19 GMT
The BCE has put the hearings on YouTube.... There appears to be no sound on the Sheffield hearings. ;(
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