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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 7, 2016 23:49:41 GMT
This. Trump is an idiot, and I wouldn't support him in a month of Sundays. But criticising him, insulting him, and making him out to be the new antichrist has become the latest form of virtue signalling. He's fûcking shit. But so are the rest of the fools running. |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 8, 2016 1:28:30 GMT
The man is a complete loose cannon, he's capable of just about everything because his actual lack of understanding or even interest in how things actually work could lead him to do something monumentally stupid and dangerous. It doesn't really matter if he was running to be president of somewhere even as regionally influential as say Argentina, but he's not. He's running for president of the most powerful and influential country in the world and anything could happen if he's not properly managed. He's not evil or crazed, but he is callous, vacuous and boneheaded which could lead to some very unpleasant international consequences. Or he could be the biggest lame duck president of all time. Well he won't be because he won't win. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 8, 2016 9:53:18 GMT
The man is a complete loose cannon, he's capable of just about everything because his actual lack of understanding or even interest in how things actually work could lead him to do something monumentally stupid and dangerous. It doesn't really matter if he was running to be president of somewhere even as regionally influential as say Argentina, but he's not. He's running for president of the most powerful and influential country in the world and anything could happen if he's not properly managed. He's not evil or crazed, but he is callous, vacuous and boneheaded which could lead to some very unpleasant international consequences. Or he could be the biggest lame duck president of all time. Well he won't be because he won't win. He is callous. Most successful politicians are He is most certainly not vacuous nor boneheaded. He would never have got to where he is had he been so. He strikes a deliberate set of postures to garner certain effects. He alters such postures at will. That is part of the attraction. He speaks to what may now be an actual majority in most western countries.......people a bit like me. We are tired of the well educated, smooth, lying, on-message, two-faced, believe-in-nothing, career first/country second, the public are morons, we know best, do as we say, the elite are in charge.........crew of self absorbed tossers. He speaks to the bar room lout and irrational howler at the moon in all of us. Italy has had a Berlusconi, Russia a Putin and most of Africa and South America a bunch of know-nothing twerps and criminals. Yet we blench at Trump and think fcuking Cruz or Clinton would be better! BETTER!!! He is far from ideal but could just be a refreshing non-corporate, non-centrist and unpredictable maverick that epitomizes all that was once central to America and the why it became so great. He listens less to reason and more to the people and his gut. I quite like that. I like a walk on the wild side. That is why I loath the levelling, cautious, centralized EU. The realities of power would inevitably change Trump and my worries are that he would revert to the common type, more than remain as is. A Trump presidency might be exciting and initiative making like Reagan was. I remember all the stuffy rude things said about him by the liberal left too. Trump would not be worse than Carter or Dubya would he? He couldn't be! In their individual ways they were a certain sort of pits. I don't think we need to fear what he will be like unless wedded to the status quo? And many of us hate the status quo and all that goes with it. That is why he is doing so well. What the liberal elite fail to understand is that we don't like them and want to see their favourite toys broken and kicked about a bit.......and we are prepared to accept a bit of pain to see it happen. Many of you don't get that. I would take a 20% cut in living standards to get out of the EU. But I don't think it will happen that way. I think we will actually do better, but that is not why I want to be out.Iit is that form of thinking that invests the Trump campaign with power. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 8, 2016 11:47:46 GMT
We are tired of the well educated, smooth, lying, two-faced, believe-in-nothing, career first/country second, the public are morons, we know best, do as we say, the elite are in charge.........crew of self absorbed tossers. Can't all of those descriptions be applied equally to Trump himself? You portray him as the antithesis of everything you despise in politicians; have you considered that he might simply be another cheek of the same arse? |
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Post by maxque on Mar 8, 2016 12:53:44 GMT
Did carlton really called Trump "non-corporate"?
We are talking of leading multiple corporations, including various towers which were never build despite investrs investing money in them and a "Trump University" giving utterly worthless and unrecognised diplomas.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 8, 2016 12:57:48 GMT
You can't expect silent-majority bullshit to sink to the level of actual coherence. It's not about that. It's about being mad as hell and not taking the tablets any more.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 19, 2016 5:32:56 GMT
Bump!
I noticed that the poll on this thread is still open, so I changed my vote from the fourth option to the first.
It is also amusing to read all the comments in the thread again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 10:25:56 GMT
First off it isn't going to happen because in the highly unlikely event of Trump being the nominee he will lose the general election because Hispanic turnout would go through the roof and would vote massively in Clinton's favour. However, in a hypothetical world the real question would be how would Trump react. He doesn't really believe the nonsense he is spouting, it is just an act. With that final sentence, a prediction which perhaps might just be coming true. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2016 12:57:28 GMT
The man is a complete loose cannon, he's capable of just about everything because his actual lack of understanding or even interest in how things actually work could lead him to do something monumentally stupid and dangerous. It doesn't really matter if he was running to be president of somewhere even as regionally influential as say Argentina, but he's not. He's running for president of the most powerful and influential country in the world and anything could happen if he's not properly managed. He's not evil or crazed, but he is callous, vacuous and boneheaded which could lead to some very unpleasant international consequences. Or he could be the biggest lame duck president of all time. Well he won't be because he won't win. He is callous. Most successful politicians are He is most certainly not vacuous nor boneheaded. He would never have got to where he is had he been so. He strikes a deliberate set of postures to garner certain effects. He alters such postures at will. That is part of the attraction. He speaks to what may now be an actual majority in most western countries.......people a bit like me. We are tired of the well educated, smooth, lying, on-message, two-faced, believe-in-nothing, career first/country second, the public are morons, we know best, do as we say, the elite are in charge.........crew of self absorbed tossers. He speaks to the bar room lout and irrational howler at the moon in all of us. Italy has had a Berlusconi, Russia a Putin and most of Africa and South America a bunch of know-nothing twerps and criminals. Yet we blench at Trump and think fcuking Cruz or Clinton would be better! BETTER!!! He is far from ideal but could just be a refreshing non-corporate, non-centrist and unpredictable maverick that epitomizes all that was once central to America and the why it became so great. He listens less to reason and more to the people and his gut. I quite like that. I like a walk on the wild side. That is why I loath the levelling, cautious, centralized EU. The realities of power would inevitably change Trump and my worries are that he would revert to the common type, more than remain as is. A Trump presidency might be exciting and initiative making like Reagan was. I remember all the stuffy rude things said about him by the liberal left too. Trump would not be worse than Carter or Dubya would he? He couldn't be! In their individual ways they were a certain sort of pits. I don't think we need to fear what he will be like unless wedded to the status quo? And many of us hate the status quo and all that goes with it. That is why he is doing so well. What the liberal elite fail to understand is that we don't like them and want to see their favourite toys broken and kicked about a bit.......and we are prepared to accept a bit of pain to see it happen. Many of you don't get that. I would take a 20% cut in living standards to get out of the EU. But I don't think it will happen that way. I think we will actually do better, but that is not why I want to be out.Iit is that form of thinking that invests the Trump campaign with power. That was worth a bump. That is why he won. You HAVE been kicked about and we HAVE broken some toys. This could become a habit. BUT I did vote that he couldn't win on this poll and I doubt even now if I would have voted for him. Strange times. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 14, 2020 0:48:34 GMT
Bump! I noticed that the poll on this thread is still open, so I changed my vote from the fourth option to the first. It is also amusing to read all the comments in the thread again. Bump again! Three years and 8 months later, it is not amusing any more |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 14, 2020 10:31:06 GMT
Bump! I noticed that the poll on this thread is still open, so I changed my vote from the fourth option to the first. It is also amusing to read all the comments in the thread again. Bump again! Three years and 8 months later, it is not amusing any more Yet there are some on this forum, plus many across the UK and US, who support him and would/will vote for him. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Jul 15, 2020 23:07:00 GMT
I don't find a clearly senile Biden as worrying as the warmongering Clinton but on the other hand, the extent to which I want the left to lose is far greater this time due to them being far more toxic than they were in Clintons time. Against that there is an argument that the political movement that most neuters the far left if the soft centre-left. But I don't want to see the far left celebrating. They are not going to celebrate either way. About half of the very online American left isn't voting for Biden and the rest are only doing so unenthusiastically as "harm reduction". Of course they'd prefer him to win, but they get to gloat about the failure of the centrist electability narrative if he loses. Congress was divided when the USA was 20 minutes away from a bombing campaign in Iran. Trump is too incompetent to effectively oppose a bipartisan, pro-war consensus. Trump isn't effectively Sino-skeptic (if he was, he wouldn't have vociferously decried the TPP, which was designed to shut China out of much of its own sphere of economic influence). As for the commies, see my first point. Biden is the best the Democrats are getting on that front. No Bush or McCain will receive the Republican presidential nomination in the foreseeable future and I sincerely doubt someone in Biden's particular political mode could win the Democratic nomination without having been vice president. In terms of economics, which is most of what matters to the left, Jeb Bush isn't much less rightwing than Trump and he didn't even fail because of the left (he failed because he had nothing to offer). "The adults", by which you mean increasingly disconnected party establishments that disagree with each other only on cultural issues (and even then, not by much), suffer from persistent arrogance which drew them into the bad governance that led to this point. In Biden, they are going to be given another chance, but they are probably going to screw it up.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jul 16, 2020 6:09:43 GMT
As far as rabid partisanship goes, there's little difference between the 'centre-left' and the 'far-left' in how they view Trump (i.e. as the Devil). The same was true with the right and Obama.
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Post by neilm on Jul 18, 2020 10:40:37 GMT
First off it isn't going to happen because in the highly unlikely event of Trump being the nominee he will lose the general election because Hispanic turnout would go through the roof and would vote massively in Clinton's favour. However, in a hypothetical world the real question would be how would Trump react. He doesn't really believe the nonsense he is spouting, it is just an act. Excellent analysis. |
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Post by London Lad on Jul 25, 2020 15:02:08 GMT
I don't find a clearly senile Biden as worrying as the warmongering Clinton I do. Nobody really expects Biden to last 4 years so whoever takes over is going to have pretty much unlimited power to do any number of daft things and with the number of loons in the Democratic Party now who seem to be in the ascendancy we could be seeing the sort of violence and mayhem that is happening in Seattle become the norm across the US. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 20:03:54 GMT
I knew Trump would win on June 24th 2016. Transatlantic Brexit contagion.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jul 25, 2020 20:06:25 GMT
I knew Trump would win on June 24th 2016. Transatlantic Brexit contagion. As I've said before, a sincerely doubt that foreign policy was much of a concern to swing voters in the Mid West. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 20:15:34 GMT
I knew Trump would win on June 24th 2016. Transatlantic Brexit contagion. As I've said before, a sincerely doubt that foreign policy was much of a concern to swing voters in the Mid West. NAFTA was foreign policy as most of the jobs that were lost were outsourced to foreign countries. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 25, 2020 20:21:21 GMT
As I've said before, a sincerely doubt that foreign policy was much of a concern to swing voters in the Mid West. NAFTA was foreign policy as most of the jobs that were lost were outsourced to foreign countries. Perhaps that ought to be rephrased as "foreign policy that doesn't have any appreciable impact on things at home is unlikely to be much of concern to swing voters in the Mid West"? |
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