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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 13:08:08 GMT
The immigration pot has been simmering all summer and will soon be near to being served. The figures are dauntingly bad for Cameron/Conservatives/Britain and as this seeps into the general consciousness there will be a reinvigoration of UKIP voting always providing the leadership is less flaccid and gets a firm grip. And there's me thinking that Plaid Cymru were the kings of misplaced confidence and optimism. The last point is valid however. UKIP seem to have lost direction badly. Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! People have an eye on the major dispositions at present and they know our 'big issues' have no real place in local government. Whilst we all de-tox from the Conservative win and Labour blood-letting we shall remain a bit of a sideshow unless the UKIP branch is very active and well entrenched. If the immigration figures stay this bad we have a song to sing. If, as I suspect, the figures come under severe pressure from both the numbers and from EU pressure to take 'our share'.......we are in serious business again and will be making good strides forward. I don't think we have long to wait. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 13:17:03 GMT
The immigration pot has been simmering all summer and will soon be near to being served. The figures are dauntingly bad for Cameron/Conservatives/Britain and as this seeps into the general consciousness there will be a reinvigoration of UKIP voting always providing the leadership is less flaccid and gets a firm grip. It seems to me the UKIPs Anti EU fox has been shot by the forth coming European Referendum and they are now a one trick pony with migration being their one trick. No, the EU is still there for us and so is anti-establishment/anti-Westminster/anti-politics. So we are in fact a 3-trick pony and a 3-trick pony will always get a good billing on the hallls. However green separatism really is a one-trick position and a damn boring one trick at that! I would be seriously worried if in your position. |
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Post by marksenior on Aug 29, 2015 15:06:53 GMT
And there's me thinking that Plaid Cymru were the kings of misplaced confidence and optimism. The last point is valid however. UKIP seem to have lost direction badly. Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! People have an eye on the major dispositions at present and they know our 'big issues' have no real place in local government. Whilst we all de-tox from the Conservative win and Labour blood-letting we shall remain a bit of a sideshow unless the UKIP branch is very active and well entrenched. If the immigration figures stay this bad we have a song to sing. If, as I suspect, the figures come under severe pressure from both the numbers and from EU pressure to take 'our share'.......we are in serious business again and will be making good strides forward. I don't think we have long to wait. The anti immigration stance is little different to that of the NF , BNP and Enoch Powell over the past 50 years and will have as little long term success . |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 29, 2015 15:16:08 GMT
]Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! Carlton, you thought that UKIP had at least a shot at Wentworth & Dearne... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 15:28:40 GMT
Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! People have an eye on the major dispositions at present and they know our 'big issues' have no real place in local government. Whilst we all de-tox from the Conservative win and Labour blood-letting we shall remain a bit of a sideshow unless the UKIP branch is very active and well entrenched. If the immigration figures stay this bad we have a song to sing. If, as I suspect, the figures come under severe pressure from both the numbers and from EU pressure to take 'our share'.......we are in serious business again and will be making good strides forward. I don't think we have long to wait. The anti immigration stance is little different to that of the NF , BNP and Enoch Powell over the past 50 years and will have as little long term success . In Powell's time immigration ran at 50k per annum. Now it runs at 500k - ten times greater. We are talking about wholly different levels of migration. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 29, 2015 19:30:43 GMT
The immigration pot has been simmering all summer and will soon be near to being served. The figures are dauntingly bad for Cameron/Conservatives/Britain and as this seeps into the general consciousness there will be a reinvigoration of UKIP voting always providing the leadership is less flaccid and gets a firm grip. " 2014: And in other news, when the electorate realise what a marvellous job the Lib Dems are doing in coalition, their performance in 2015 will be much better than predicted." |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 29, 2015 19:34:56 GMT
It seems to me the UKIPs Anti EU fox has been shot by the forth coming European Referendum and they are now a one trick pony with migration being their one trick. No, the EU is still there for us and so is anti-establishment/anti-Westminster/anti-politics. So we are in fact a 3-trick pony and a 3-trick pony will always get a good billing on the hallls. However green separatism really is a one-trick position and a damn boring one trick at that! I would be seriously worried if in your position. Isn't "green separatism" two tricks? There's a clue in the number of words.  |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 19:40:10 GMT
Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! People have an eye on the major dispositions at present and they know our 'big issues' have no real place in local government. Whilst we all de-tox from the Conservative win and Labour blood-letting we shall remain a bit of a sideshow unless the UKIP branch is very active and well entrenched. If the immigration figures stay this bad we have a song to sing. If, as I suspect, the figures come under severe pressure from both the numbers and from EU pressure to take 'our share'.......we are in serious business again and will be making good strides forward. I don't think we have long to wait. The anti immigration stance is little different to that of the NF , BNP and Enoch Powell over the past 50 years and will have as little long term success . You wish. watch this space. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 19:41:44 GMT
]Whatever else I may or may not be, cock-eyed optimist is not on of them! Carlton, you thought that UKIP had at least a shot at Wentworth & Dearne... Guilty as charged sibbs. They still do. Timing is everything. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 19:44:03 GMT
No, the EU is still there for us and so is anti-establishment/anti-Westminster/anti-politics. So we are in fact a 3-trick pony and a 3-trick pony will always get a good billing on the hallls. However green separatism really is a one-trick position and a damn boring one trick at that! I would be seriously worried if in your position. Isn't "green separatism" two tricks? There's a clue in the number of words. Well guv'nor! But, I av' a go, don't I. I av' a go! |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 19:44:39 GMT
Guilty as charged sibbs. They still do. Timing is everything. So you think UKIP can win very Labour seat in Yorkshire then? No. Not EVERY one! |
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Post by marksenior on Aug 29, 2015 19:54:00 GMT
So you think UKIP can win very Labour seat in Yorkshire then? No. Not EVERY one! Pure deluded fantasy , Yorkshire First have more chance of gaining a set in Yorks from Labour than UKIP |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 29, 2015 20:00:46 GMT
Pure deluded fantasy , Yorkshire First have more chance of gaining a set in Yorks from Labour than UKIP No they don't.....Seat or Set of seats. Dinner on you when we have our first seat in Yorkshire. I'll buy the wine. Venue in Sheffield. Selected others to be invited. |
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 30, 2015 0:27:57 GMT
Pure deluded fantasy , Yorkshire First have more chance of gaining a set in Yorks from Labour than UKIP Both parties are standing candidates in the Pontefract North byelection next month. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Aug 30, 2015 10:39:12 GMT
I'm sure you'd agree that a byelection in Swale would be interesting - would it not? |
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Post by oldhamexile on Aug 30, 2015 20:57:33 GMT
"interesting" that the BNP outpolled Labour and reduced UKIP to fourth. Tends to suggest that like the SDP there is still a group of individuals ploughing the furrow in this area, when nationally the profile has been reduced to zero. Of course, Marsden now has the sole BNP councillor at principal level anywhere in Britain. IIRC the Tories have been competitive there recently and even won it - what is notable is that the LibDems show up here relatively rarely despite their local strength. I don't know about this parish by-election, but certainly when the BNP last retained Marsden ward at borough level they bussed in activists and threw money at the contest as though it were a parliamentary by-election. Surprising that no-one challenged their spending. In its present state the BNP rarely devotes any of its national resources to campaigning and exists mainly to attract donations and legacies from its few remaining naive supporters. It has hardly any experienced activists left, but needs the occasional headline success like Marsden ward to convince the gullible that it still has potential. AFAIK the local borough councillor is seen as hardworking, if eccentric. Their candidate in this by-election, John Rowe, is the last remaining BNP activist in nearby Burnley, where the party was once the official opposition on the council. He never succeeded in gaining election to Burnley council, though he got very close: on one occasion (when I was present at the count) he was in a tie with Labour and lost on the RO's drawing of lots! IIRC he has a property qualification to stand in both Burnley and Pendle. |
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