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Post by carlton43 on Jul 25, 2015 12:07:17 GMT
Can the portfolios themselves be over 100 years old? There used to be Master-General of the Ordnance, Secretary of State for the Northern Department, Secretary of State for the Southern Department, Treasurer of the Navy, Lord High Admiral, Secretary of State for War and the Colonies. There was also Religious Genocide/Lord High Executioner, a role Blackadder II was appointed to.Behold! The Lord High Executioner Pooh Baah! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 25, 2015 19:44:01 GMT
Can the portfolios themselves be over 100 years old? There used to be Master-General of the Ordnance, Secretary of State for the Northern Department, Secretary of State for the Southern Department, Treasurer of the Navy, Lord High Admiral, Secretary of State for War and the Colonies. There was also Religious Genocide/Lord High Executioner, a role Blackadder II was appointed to.Behold! The Lord High Executioner Believe it or not but I once played that role on stage.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 25, 2015 19:45:05 GMT
You want Wales to be partitioned? That is the 2nd worst possible choice if you want to Wales to remain: a) in the UK b) in one piece. And the worst being? George Thomas. Vile man. imho |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 25, 2015 19:59:41 GMT
Behold! The Lord High Executioner Believe it or not but I once played that role on stage. Ah, typecasting is a terrible thing  |
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Post by johnsmith on Jul 27, 2015 10:46:51 GMT
OK, here is political and historical "what if". If you could select any MPs who have ever sat in the House of Commons in the last 100 years, to form your ideal cabinet, who would you choose? You may add cabinet positions if you think they are important enough, or remove others if you think otherwise. Here is my ideal cabinet...... Wales - Neil Kinnock You want Wales to be partitioned? That is the 2nd worst possible choice if you want to Wales to remain: a) in the UK b) in one piece. Why do you think Kinnock as Wales minister would result in civil war and/or partition in Wales? No politician is ever going to please everyone, and Kinnock has the virtue not only of being Welsh himself, but in his prime - before he went off to a hinterland in the EU - was a prominent political leader of a party that was popular in Wales. It is not the Kinnock of today I am talking about but the one of a quarter century ago. That is the nature of this thread. After all my nominee for Defence Minister - Winston Churchill - would be a very poor choice if it were the Churchill of today, what with him being dead for 50 years, lol. |
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Post by johnsmith on Jul 27, 2015 10:51:34 GMT
Who am I kidding, I would not consider Enoch Powell for any political position. His stellar academic and military career peaked in 1945 after which he began a long slow descent into irrelevance. He was however a monetarist before it was fashionable. I would rather have Alan Knott at Defence than John Nott I would rather have Mickey Mouse as PM than Margaret Thatcher, lol |
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Post by johnsmith on Jul 27, 2015 10:54:41 GMT
I realise Salisbury, Chaplin, Canning, Balfour, Disraeli and Bolingbroke break the 100-year rule... As the initiator of this thread, that's fine by me. It's all very interesting anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:26:18 GMT
Who am I kidding, I would not consider Enoch Powell for any political position. His stellar academic and military career peaked in 1945 after which he began a long slow descent into irrelevance. He was however a monetarist before it was fashionable. I would rather have Alan Knott at Defence than John Nott I would rather have Mickey Mouse as PM than Margaret Thatcher, lol  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 27, 2015 16:55:34 GMT
Who am I kidding, I would not consider Enoch Powell for any political position. His stellar academic and military career peaked in 1945 after which he began a long slow descent into irrelevance. He was however a monetarist before it was fashionable. I would rather have Alan Knott at Defence than John Nott I would rather have Mickey Mouse as PM than Margaret Thatcher, lol Clearly, if you voted Labour in 2015. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 27, 2015 18:58:53 GMT
You want Wales to be partitioned? That is the 2nd worst possible choice if you want to Wales to remain: a) in the UK b) in one piece. Why do you think Kinnock as Wales minister would result in civil war and/or partition in Wales? No politician is ever going to please everyone, and Kinnock has the virtue not only of being Welsh himself, but in his prime - before he went off to a hinterland in the EU - was a prominent political leader of a party that was popular in Wales. It is not the Kinnock of today I am talking about but the one of a quarter century ago. That is the nature of this thread. After all my nominee for Defence Minister - Winston Churchill - would be a very poor choice if it were the Churchill of today, what with him being dead for 50 years, lol. I too speak of the Kinnock of the past. He was very unpopular in certain parts of Wales, both geographic and demographic. Redwood had the advantage of being disliked by pretty well everybody! |
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Post by cibwr on Jul 29, 2015 10:16:09 GMT
Redwood had the advantage of being disliked by pretty well everybody! Hence Hague getting standing ovations when he walked into meeting with Labour councillors when he was first appointed. |
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Post by jonarny on Nov 17, 2015 3:25:21 GMT
I've only just spotted this thread. Not to be taken too seriously, but I've tried to be reasonably non-partisan except for the obvious two that I really have to include Prime Minister - Lloyd George Deputy Prime Minister - Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman (oops - though 20th century, just breaks the 100-year rule) Defence - Winston Churchill Chancellor - John Major Education - Alan Johnson Transport - Mark Reckless Foreign Secretary - Douglas Carswell Home Secretary - John Redwood Health - Aneurin Bevan Welfare - Frank Field Sport - Kate Hoey Europe - Tony Benn Women - Betty Boothroyd Wales - William Hague Scotland - Tam Dalyell (he asked the question, force him to answer it!) Northern Ireland - Sylvia Hermon Armed Forces - Penny Mordaunt Leader of the Opposition - Margaret Thatcher (would you want to face her at the despatch box if you weren't in full command of your brief?) .................... And, for a bit of fun ... Chief Whip - Francis Urquhart (to put a bit of stick about) Deputy Whip - Lindi St Clair Administrative Affairs - Jim Hacker Agriculture (Root Vegetables) - Baldrick Silly Walks - John Cleese Truth - O'Brien Sound - Justin Berkmann Religion - Edmund Blackadder Environment - Dr. Who (who else would you want if the planet needs to be saved?) Foreign Affairs - John Profumo Prisons - Jeffrey Archer (he had stiff competition for this one) A nightmare cabinet would be much easier to put together. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 8:29:56 GMT
Mark Reckless?   |
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 17, 2015 9:13:44 GMT
A nightmare cabinet would be much easier to put together. A good idea for a new thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 9:41:07 GMT
Prime Minister Edward Du Cann
Deputy Pm Stanley Baldwin
Chancellor Margaret Thatcher
Foreign Secretary Rab Butler
Home Secretary Tony Blair
Chief Sec To Treasury Dominic Raab
Education Lord Carrington
Defence Michael Collins
Health Geoffrey Howe
Scotland Teddy Taylor
Wales John Redwood
Northern Ireland Enoch Powell
Environment David LLoyd George
Energy Anthony Eden
Policing Norman Tebbit
Welfare Jeremy Browne
Minister without Portfolio Ken Clarke
Minister without Portfolio Roy Jenkins
Ambassador to the USA Douglas Carswell
Ambassador to the European Union Ronnie Campbell
Ambassador to North Korea Nicola Sturgeon
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 17, 2015 9:47:20 GMT
Leader of the Opposition - Margaret Thatcher (would you want to face her at the despatch box if you weren't in full command of your brief?) Mrs Thatcher was Leader of the Opposition, and while she succeeded at the main task of getting into government, that was due to the effectiveness of the Conservative message in the country rather than in Parliament. She was not a success as a Parliamentary performer; Jim Callaghan ran rings round her. |
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Post by jonarny on Nov 17, 2015 11:26:31 GMT
Leader of the Opposition - Margaret Thatcher (would you want to face her at the despatch box if you weren't in full command of your brief?) Mrs Thatcher was Leader of the Opposition, and while she succeeded at the main task of getting into government, that was due to the effectiveness of the Conservative message in the country rather than in Parliament. She was not a success as a Parliamentary performer; Jim Callaghan ran rings round her. That one was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Late nights and computer screens don't always mix. But I suppose I should weakly defend my premise anyway: presumably the idea of the thread is that we're imagining someone at the peak of their abilities (which she didn't reach until much later). And surely the Left should be quite happy with the idea because it would keep her out of government... |
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Post by jonarny on Nov 17, 2015 11:32:14 GMT
Mark Reckless? Well it would have been most impolite of me not to...though if I really wanted to 'UKIP' the Cabinet I might have included Christopher Gill, Bob Spink, etc. (As an aside, having met Christopher Gill on a number of occasions during his time on UKIP's NEC, I have to say that I'm enormously impressed with him as a person.) |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2016 23:20:06 GMT
Just found this thread. So let's have a bit of fun: Prime Minister: Sir Alec Douglas-HomeFirst Secretary of State/Deputy Prime Minister: William HagueChancellor of the Exchequer: Nigel LawsonHome Secretary: Roy JenkinsForeign and Commonwealth Secretary: The 6th Baron CarringtonLord Chancellor/Justice Secretary: The Baron Denning of WhitchurchDefence Secretary: Penny MordauntWork and Pensions Secretary: Iain Duncan-SmithHealth Secretary: Ken ClarkeLeader of the House of Commons/Lord President of the Council: Alan ClarkInternational Development Secretary: no-one, fold it back into the FCOEducation Secretary: Michael GoveLeader of the House of Lords/Lord Privy Seal: The 7th Marquess of SalisburyTransport Secretary: The Baron Adonis of Camden TownPresident of the Board of Trade: Norman TebbitNorthern Ireland Secretary: Ian PaisleyMinister of Works (DEFRA/CLG/excessively long titles): John PrescottWelsh Secretary: The Baron CrickhowellChancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Frank FieldCulture Secretary: Sir John MajorScottish Secretary: Willie RossEnergy Secretary: no-one, fold it back into the DTIChief Secretary to the Treasury: Danny AlexanderParliamentary Secretary to the Treasury: Bernard WeatherillAttorney-General: Sir Lionel HealdNon-aligned? Sure you are not a conservative? Culture prefer Norman St.John Stevas. And what about Ag and Fish? |
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 10, 2016 23:37:53 GMT
carlton43 - read his manifesto in the Introductions thread
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