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Post by carlton43 on Jul 21, 2015 14:28:21 GMT
Yes Hurd is a very good choice for all the reasons given. He was a most interesting critic and collector of poetry.
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Post by slon on Jul 21, 2015 14:58:23 GMT
Yes Hurd is a very good choice for all the reasons given. He was a most interesting critic and collector of poetry. The list of ministers appointed by Thatcher who were not yes men, chancers, incompetents, or crooks is quite a short one .... I guess Hurd could be on it. Whether he could be considered as part of a dream team is doubtful. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 21, 2015 15:03:19 GMT
Yes Hurd is a very good choice for all the reasons given. He was a most interesting critic and collector of poetry. The list of ministers appointed by Thatcher who were not yes men, chancers, incompetents, or crooks is quite a short one .... I guess Hurd could be on it. Whether he could be considered as part of a dream team is doubtful. Aren't all the lists comprised of that mix Slon. It is just the different emphasis on constituent parts that changes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:34:31 GMT
Douglas Hurd would have been a very interesting Prime Minister. One of the most respectable politicians of our era. There's something about him that exudes intelligence, experience, reassurance and authority before he even speaks.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 23, 2015 22:04:58 GMT
Peacetime PM ............Thatcher Wartime PM..........Churchill Chancellor...........the only post for which I would consider Powell. I would probably plump for Lawson. Home Secretary ............Jenkins Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary .......Cecil Rhodes Housing.............Harold MacMillan any other job he wanted ............Keith Joseph Constitutional reform ........a Lib Dem. Maybe David Steel Welfare............Frank Field Northern Ireland ...........Michael Collins Overseas Development...........Clare Short Your perversity knows no bounds. Blood on the table. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jul 23, 2015 23:50:42 GMT
Chancellor...........the only post for which I would consider Powell. I would probably plump for Lawson. Would that be before or after he went mad and became a fervent advocate of Britain's entry to the ERM? |
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Post by tim on Jul 24, 2015 8:58:13 GMT
Another example of his "realism" was arguing Saddam should be allowed to massacre his opponents at the end of the first Gulf war (after Bush Snr had horrified him and other "realists" by urging the "Iraqi *people*" to overthrow SH) I leave others to judge whether that was a wise choice in the longer term or not...… Yes I disagreed with him at the time. But the person it should really count against is George Bush snr himself. To encourage the Iraqi people to revolt against Saddam Hussain as US president then do nothing and let them be slaughtered by Saddam Hussains men when they did was shameful and morally reprehensable. |
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Post by tim on Jul 24, 2015 9:06:58 GMT
Chancellor...........the only post for which I would consider Powell. I would probably plump for Lawson. Would that be before or after he went mad and became a fervent advocate of Britain's entry to the ERM? His stubborn determination to shadow the deutschmark in spring 1988 as a prelude to joining the ERM was a big mistake. At the time the economy was booming, confidence was high, therefore the pound was high as monies flowed in. To reduce interest rates to try to keep the pound down was an obvious mistake which did a lot of damage to the economy and deservedly hit the conservative governments reputation for economic competance. It led to a credit boom at a period of high growth. It should n't have needed the benefit of hindsight to realise it was a mistake. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jul 24, 2015 12:09:17 GMT
Another example of his "realism" was arguing Saddam should be allowed to massacre his opponents at the end of the first Gulf war (after Bush Snr had horrified him and other "realists" by urging the "Iraqi *people*" to overthrow SH) I leave others to judge whether that was a wise choice in the longer term or not...… Yes I disagreed with him at the time. But the person it should really count against is George Bush snr himself. To encourage the Iraqi people to revolt against Saddam Hussain as US president then do nothing and let them be slaughtered by Saddam Hussains men when they did was shameful and morally reprehensable. As is often the case this was all down to a cock up rather than malevolence. Bush's infamous appeal to the Iraqi people was supposed to be an appeal to the Iraqi military to remove Saddam via a coup. The original draft of the speech simply asked that "The Iraqi military take matters into their own hands". This was subsequent changed to "The Iraqi military and the Iraqi people" but it was never the intention to initiate a full scale revolt. The Americans wanted Saddam gone but they were happy for his regime to large remain in place. |
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Post by tim on Jul 24, 2015 13:30:19 GMT
PM ….. Margaret Thatcher
Deputy …. Hugh Gaitskill
Chancellor …. Peter Thorneycroft
Chief Secretary to Treasury … Nigel Lawson
Social Securty … Frank Field
Home Secretary … Enoch Powell
Foreign Secretary … Winston Churchill
Defence Minister … John Knott
Oveseas Development .. Linda chalker
Sports Minister … Dennis Howell
Welsh Minister .. Anurin Bevin
Scotland … George Younger
Northern Ireland … Merlyn Rees
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 24, 2015 18:03:32 GMT
PM ….. Margaret Thatcher Deputy …. Hugh Gaitskill Chancellor …. Peter Thorneycroft Chief Secretary to Treasury … Nigel Lawson Social Securty … Frank Field Home Secretary … Enoch Powell Foreign Secretary … Winston Churchill Defence Minister … John Knott Oveseas Development .. Linda chalker Sports Minister … Dennis Howell Welsh Minister .. Anurin Bevin Scotland … George Younger Northern Ireland … Merlyn Rees I was wondering if we had strayed into a Nightmare Cabinet there for a moment! Thatcher as PM? Makes the rest pretty pointless ... The Home Office is possibly the worst place to put Powell. He was quite good at Health though - brought in a lot of excellent medical and nursing staff from overseas.  Aneurin Bevan (or is it Ernest Bevin) an odd choice for Wales. Cledwyn Hughes or Wyn Roberts were both good in the role in very different ways, and circumstances. Churchill at the Foreign Office? Only if you want more work for John Nott! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 24, 2015 18:07:13 GMT
International Development: Nicholas Ridley Funny. You hadn't previously struck me as the sort who dislikes foreigners John. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 24, 2015 18:09:19 GMT
OK, here is political and historical "what if". If you could select any MPs who have ever sat in the House of Commons in the last 100 years, to form your ideal cabinet, who would you choose? You may add cabinet positions if you think they are important enough, or remove others if you think otherwise. Here is my ideal cabinet...... Wales - Neil Kinnock You want Wales to be partitioned? That is the 2nd worst possible choice if you want to Wales to remain: a) in the UK b) in one piece.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:47:34 GMT
International Development: Nicholas Ridley Funny. You hadn't previously struck me as the sort who dislikes foreigners John. Fear not. He doesn't dislike foreigners; he dislikes the EU. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 24, 2015 21:37:57 GMT
OK, here is political and historical "what if". If you could select any MPs who have ever sat in the House of Commons in the last 100 years, to form your ideal cabinet, who would you choose? You may add cabinet positions if you think they are important enough, or remove others if you think otherwise. Here is my ideal cabinet...... Wales - Neil Kinnock You want Wales to be partitioned? That is the 2nd worst possible choice if you want to Wales to remain: a) in the UK b) in one piece. And the worst being? |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 25, 2015 0:31:56 GMT
Funny. You hadn't previously struck me as the sort who dislikes foreigners John. Fear not. He doesn't dislike foreigners; he dislikes the EU. Fear not. My main reason for selecting Nicholas Ridley was to take the piss out of the subject of the thread, due to it not being entirely serious and only, as it were, a "bit of fun". In real life, I happen to think that Secretary of State for International Development might be the sort of cabinet position which my own MP Gavin Barwell would be good at, if he ever reached the cabinet. His two main areas of interest are Education and Foreign Affairs; being a liberal(ish) Conservative means he would be able to think up clever ways to do International Development in a Conservative(ish) way. |
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Post by Tangent on Jul 25, 2015 0:47:07 GMT
Prime Minister: Marquess of Salisbury
DPM & Leader of the House of Commons: H. H. Asquith
Chancellor of the Exchequer: W. E. Gladstone
Foreign Secretary: G. Canning
Home Secretary: R. A. Butler
DBIS: W. Churchill
Health: J. Chamberlain
Education: A. J. Balfour
DWP: B. Disraeli
Defence: Denis Healey
DEFRA: Henry Chaplin
DECC: M. Thatcher
International Development: I. Macleod
Northern Ireland: Roy Mason
Transport: B. Castle
Wales: A. Bevan
Scotland: J. R. Macdonald
Lord Chancellor: Lord Jowitt
Lord President of the Council: S. Baldwin
Lord Privy Seal: Viscount Bolingbroke
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Post by Tangent on Jul 25, 2015 0:50:42 GMT
I realise Salisbury, Chaplin, Canning, Balfour, Disraeli and Bolingbroke break the 100-year rule...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 8:28:56 GMT
Can the portfolios themselves be over 100 years old?
There used to be Master-General of the Ordnance, Secretary of State for the Northern Department, Secretary of State for the Southern Department, Treasurer of the Navy, Lord High Admiral, Secretary of State for War and the Colonies. There was also Religious Genocide/Lord High Executioner, a role Blackadder II was appointed to.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 25, 2015 8:32:39 GMT
Can the portfolios themselves be over 100 years old? There used to be Master-General of the Ordnance, Secretary of State for the Northern Department, Secretary of State for the Southern Department, Treasurer of the Navy, Lord High Admiral, Secretary of State for War and the Colonies. There was also Religious Genocide/Lord High Executioner, a role Blackadder II was appointed to.Behold! The Lord High Executioner |
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