Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 10, 2015 8:40:29 GMT
On Wednesday, when I was doing my shopping in Aberaeron, I came across a book called "The Constitutional Year Book 1936" in a second hand book shop that had details of the 1924, 1929, 1931 and 1935 general elections and seeing as I have the information for all the general elections since 1950 it made a great deal of sense to extend backwards my collection. It may have cost £25 but I think that was a very good investment. I am currently just tallying Wales (but will gradually extend it to the whole of the United Kingdom). In the meantime here's Wales 1924 and 1929
Wales 1924
Labour 313,297 votes (41%) winning 16 seats
Liberals 232,109 votes (31%) winning 11 seats
Conservative 215,690 votes (28%) winning 9 seats
Wales 1929
Labour 578,225 votes (44% +3%) winning 25 seats (+9)
Liberals 442,623 votes (34% +3%) winning 10 seats (-1)
Conservatives 289,736 votes (22% -6%) winning 1 seat (-8)
Communists 8,143 votes (1%) winning 0 seats
Plaid Cymru 609 votes (0%) winning 0 seats
Swing: 0% from Lab to Lib, 4.5% from Con to Lab, 4.5% from Con to Lib
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 10, 2015 8:49:22 GMT
The Constitutional Year Book was a Conservative Party publication - which is why its covers are royal blue. It ran from the 1880s until publication was suspended after 1939, never to resume. The election results section is of high quality and is useful as a check on occasions when there are questions over the official status of a conservative-allied candidate.
It is also one of the very few sources for the partisan affiliation of members of the House of Lords.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 10, 2015 20:36:04 GMT
A few years back I went to Hay-on-Wye with a budget for finding old election results, and came away with the last (1939) edition of the Constitutional Year Book. It's a useful resource and a window into a vanished world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 21:48:36 GMT
Wales 1929Plaid Cymru 609 votes (0%) winning 0 seats Plaid Cymru's first parliamentary contest - Caernarfonshire. Beti Jones' book Etholiadau'r Ganrif Welsh Elections 1885-1997 is useful reference for, obviously, all Welsh parliamentary elections between those dates. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 10, 2015 21:52:09 GMT
Wales 1929Plaid Cymru 609 votes (0%) winning 0 seats Plaid Cymru's first parliamentary contest - Caernarfonshire. Beti Jones' book Etholiadau'r Ganrif Welsh Elections 1885-1997 is useful reference for, obviously, all Welsh parliamentary elections between those dates. Indeed, and the first edition "Welsh Elections 1885 - 1974" is what got me started (in fact I have even broached the idea with Roger Scully of the University of Wales of going the whole hog and going back to 1832 and include the 2016 Assembly elections as well |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 21:58:13 GMT
Also includes the three referendums - 1975, 1979 and 1997 - as well as maps for the boundary changes throughout the period and Euro election results.
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Post by Beaumont on Jul 10, 2015 23:06:41 GMT
A few years back I went to Hay-on-Wye with a budget for finding old election results, and came away with the last (1939) edition of the Constitutional Year Book. It's a useful resource and a window into a vanished world. Ah yes, I have been to Hay-on-Wye several times. It can sometimes take a LOT of searching but you can find some real gems there. I have unfortunately never had the time to dig deep into many of their spectacular book shops, but I could truly spend all my time in them! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 11, 2015 0:29:50 GMT
Last time I went to Hay-on-Wye I came back with (very good quality) copies of 'Wales at Westminster' by Arnold J. Jones and John E. Thomas, which contains all Parliamentary election results from 1800 to 1979, and 'Union to Reform' by the same authors, which contains election results from 1536 to 1832.
Both contain much excellent analysis but I fear they mean that the project of gathering all Welsh election material into one series of books has already been achieved.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 11, 2015 0:37:12 GMT
Yes, I remember reading the former at university.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 12, 2015 11:30:33 GMT
Wales 1931
Labour 455,284 votes (43% -1%) winning 18 seats (-7)
Conservatives 240,961 votes (23% +1%) winning 6 seats (+5)
Liberals 159,411 votes (15% -18%) winning 3 seats (-7)
National Liberals 75,717 votes (7%) winning 4 seats (+4)
Independent Liberals 71,539 votes (7%) winning 4 seats (+4)
National Labour 24,120 votes (2%) winning 1 seat (+1)
Communists 17,754 votes (2% +1%) winning 0 seats (unchanged)
Independents 11,616 votes (1%) winning 0 seats (unchanged)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 12, 2015 11:41:41 GMT
Have to be careful with the Liberals in 1931. The official Liberal Party at the time counted the 'Liberal Nationals' (NB not 'National Liberals' until 1948) as part of the party; and the 'Independent Liberals' were all official candidates even though they were in opposition.
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 13, 2015 16:49:03 GMT
On Wednesday, when I was doing my shopping in Aberaeron, I came across a book called "The Constitutional Year Book 1936" in a second hand book shop that had details of the 1924, 1929, 1931 and 1935 general elections and seeing as I have the information for all the general elections since 1950 it made a great deal of sense to extend backwards my collection. It may have cost £25 but I think that was a very good investment. I am currently just tallying Wales (but will gradually extend it to the whole of the United Kingdom). In the meantime here's Wales 1924 and 1929 Harry, do you not have a full collection of F.W.S. Craig's volumes? They're really all you need! |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 13, 2015 18:17:22 GMT
On Wednesday, when I was doing my shopping in Aberaeron, I came across a book called "The Constitutional Year Book 1936" in a second hand book shop that had details of the 1924, 1929, 1931 and 1935 general elections and seeing as I have the information for all the general elections since 1950 it made a great deal of sense to extend backwards my collection. It may have cost £25 but I think that was a very good investment. I am currently just tallying Wales (but will gradually extend it to the whole of the United Kingdom). In the meantime here's Wales 1924 and 1929 Harry, do you not have a full collection of F.W.S. Craig's volumes? They're really all you need! I do not have a full collection of his volumes for one very good reason. Have you seen the cost? www.ebay.com.au/itm/British-Parliamentary-Election-Results-by-F-W-S-Craig-/390640127667 (£95) and that's just for one of them. Of my £62 a week I get in carer's allowance £10 goes to council tax, £10 goes to digital television, £10 goes to telephone bill and £20 goes on shopping leaving £11 for savings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 18:36:41 GMT
Harry, do you not have a full collection of F.W.S. Craig's volumes? They're really all you need! I do not have a full collection of his volumes for one very good reason. Have you seen the cost? www.ebay.com.au/itm/British-Parliamentary-Election-Results-by-F-W-S-Craig-/390640127667 (£95) and that's just for one of them. Of my £62 a week I get in carer's allowance £10 goes to council tax, £10 goes to digital television, £10 goes to telephone bill and £20 goes on shopping leaving £11 for savings. You might be able to get them cheaper on Amazon. |
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 13, 2015 20:38:47 GMT
Harry, do you not have a full collection of F.W.S. Craig's volumes? They're really all you need! I do not have a full collection of his volumes for one very good reason. Have you seen the cost? www.ebay.com.au/itm/British-Parliamentary-Election-Results-by-F-W-S-Craig-/390640127667 (£95) and that's just for one of them. Of my £62 a week I get in carer's allowance £10 goes to council tax, £10 goes to digital television, £10 goes to telephone bill and £20 goes on shopping leaving £11 for savings. Oh dear, I hadn't realised the price of them. Still, keep looking, you may strike lucky in the end. I bought my copies when they were first published in the 1970s. I have to admit they seemed expensive to me on my student grant, but I had few vices then (apart from pinball) and treated myself..... |
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 13, 2015 20:41:58 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jul 14, 2015 0:21:42 GMT
I have a set of four FWS Craig volumes from 1832 to 1970. I was given them unexpectedly after I had gone to give a talk on electoral systems to a class of sixth-form politics students at a school where the teacher was an old friend I knew from University. For whatever reason, the school happened to have a whole cupboardful of several sets. Before then, I used to go to the library whenever I needed to look up result sin them.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 8, 2015 8:35:48 GMT
Wales 1935
Labour 397,571 votes (45.39% +2.30% on 1931) winning 19 seats (+1 seat on 1931)
Conservatives 204,099 votes (23.30% +0.49% on 1931) winning 6 seats (unchanged on 1931)
Liberals 94,737 votes (10.82% -4.27% on 1931) winning 2 seats (-1 seat on 1931)
Independent Liberals 65,150 votes (7.44% +0.67% on 1931) winning 1 seat (unchanged on 1931)
Liberal National 36,156 votes (4.13% -3.04% on 1931) winning 3 seats (-1 seat on 1931)
National 35,318 votes (4.03%, no candidates in 1931) winning 1 seat (+1 seat on 1931)
National Labour 16,594 votes (1.94% -0.35% on 1931) winning 1 seat (unchanged on 1931)
Communists 13,655 votes (1.56% -0.12% on 1931) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1931)
Independent Labour 9,640 votes (1.10%, no candidates in 1931) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1931)
Independents 2,534 votes (0.29% -0.81% on 1931) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1931)
Labour lead of 193,472 votes (22.09%) on a swing of 0.91% from Conservative to Labour
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 8, 2015 15:30:36 GMT
Wales 1945
Labour 714,225 votes (53.44% +8.04% on 1935) winning 25 seats (+6 seats on 1935)
Liberals 267,751 votes (20.03% +9.22% on 1935) winning 7 seats (+5 seats on 1935)
Conservatives 220,780 votes (16.52% -6.79% on 1935) winning 3 seats (-3 seats on 1935)
Liberal National 64,043 votes (4.79% +0.66% on 1935) winning 1 seat (-2 seats on 1935)
National 31,906 votes (2.39% -1.65% on 1935) winning 0 seats (-1 seat on 1935)
Plaid Cymru 16,447 votes (1.23%, no candidates in 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935)
Communists 15,761 votes (1.18% -0.38% on 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935) *
Independents 5,693 votes (0.43% +0.14% on 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935)
Labour lead of 446,474 votes (33.41%) on a swing of 0.59% from Labour to Liberal
* Rhondda East: Labour 16,733 (48% -13% on 1935), Communist 15,761 (46% +8%), Plaid Cymru 2,123 (6%, no candidate in 1935). Labour HOLD with a majority of 972 (2%) on a swing of 10.5% from Labour to Communist.
Question: Is this the closest a Communist have ever come to winning a seat at a British general election and if not, which seats have elected a Communist?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 15:35:29 GMT
Wales 1945 Labour 714,225 votes (53.44% +8.04% on 1935) winning 25 seats (+6 seats on 1935) Liberals 267,751 votes (20.03% +9.22% on 1935) winning 7 seats (+5 seats on 1935) Conservatives 220,780 votes (16.52% -6.79% on 1935) winning 3 seats (-3 seats on 1935) Liberal National 64,043 votes (4.79% +0.66% on 1935) winning 1 seat (-2 seats on 1935) National 31,906 votes (2.39% -1.65% on 1935) winning 0 seats (-1 seat on 1935) Plaid Cymru 16,447 votes (1.23%, no candidates in 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935) Communists 15,761 votes (1.18% -0.38% on 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935) * Independents 5,693 votes (0.43% +0.14% on 1935) winning 0 seats (unchanged on 1935) Labour lead of 446,474 votes (33.41%) on a swing of 0.59% from Labour to Liberal * Rhondda East: Labour 16,733 (48% -13% on 1935), Communist 15,761 (46% +8%), Plaid Cymru 2,123 (6%, no candidate in 1935). Labour HOLD with a majority of 972 (2%) on a swing of 10.5% from Labour to Communist. Question: Is this the closest a Communist have ever come to winning a seat at a British general election and if not, which seats have elected a Communist?Battersea North (Shapurji Saklatvala 1922-3, 1924-9) Motherwell (Walton Newbold 1922-3) West Fife (Willie Gallacher 1935-50) Mile End (Phil Piratin 1945-50) |
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