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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 11, 2015 17:04:34 GMT
But of course when the 'sod you' voters were voting for the Lib Dems they were voting as part of 'Progressive' bloc who really wanted to keep Labour in power and who were therefore betrayed when the Lib Dems went in with the Tories. Now they are voting for an avowedly right of centre party they are just 'sod the lot of you' voters again. Convenient.
Which is not to say I disagree that there is a large element of sod the lot of you voting amongst UKIP and (formerly) Lib Dem voters. Just they seem to be counted differently by some when it suits.
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Post by neilm on Jun 2, 2015 6:28:26 GMT
I heard more about this last night. The actual words from the former Labour PPC in question were 'most voters are progressive, they just didn't vote that way.' FFS.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 2, 2015 9:21:55 GMT
Well, you can sort of see what he is getting at - but still  |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2015 10:23:29 GMT
I yearn for the death of the term 'progressive'. It carries a baggage of superiority with the implication that all others are not in favour of progress and therefore not just in a different political camp, but lesser, uncaring, unthinking beings, not really fit to be allowed to vote or have a say, because damned out of their mouths and their conduct to be against the stream of moral consciousness and right-thinking of this moment.............Sort of Thing!
I do believe that is how many on the 'Progressive Wing' see those who are not. Rather as Nats see all non-Nats as unthinking, treacherous, despicable non-nationalists and doers-down of their own country and eveything and everyone in it.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 3, 2015 5:05:13 GMT
At a hustings meeting during the Croydon North by-election, I deliberately (and perhaps mischievously) used the word "progressive" in the context of supporting the Coalition and opposing Labour. I was thinking of it in terms of moving forwards gradually and carefully, trimming and adjusting, instead of gallumphiously slashing and wrecking things with revolutionary reorganisations.
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Post by brothersideways on Jun 3, 2015 8:53:41 GMT
I yearn for the death of the term 'progressive'. It carries a baggage of superiority with the implication that all others are not in favour of progress and therefore not just in a different political camp, but lesser, uncaring, unthinking beings, not really fit to be allowed to vote or have a say, because damned out of their mouths and their conduct to be against the stream of moral consciousness and right-thinking of this moment.............Sort of Thing! I do believe that is how many on the 'Progressive Wing' see those who are not. Rather as Nats see all non-Nats as unthinking, treacherous, despicable non-nationalists and doers-down of their own country and eveything and everyone in it. It's so hard to find a non-loaded term - "left" is too strong for the Liberals and some Greens dislike it, "Liberal" or "socialist" are way out. "Progressive" always makes me think of the Bullmoose Party, but it seems to carry less baggage than the other options, and could be viewed as mostly an opposite to the name Conservative. |
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Post by middyman on Jun 3, 2015 9:03:08 GMT
I yearn for the death of the term 'progressive'. It carries a baggage of superiority with the implication that all others are not in favour of progress and therefore not just in a different political camp, but lesser, uncaring, unthinking beings, not really fit to be allowed to vote or have a say, because damned out of their mouths and their conduct to be against the stream of moral consciousness and right-thinking of this moment.............Sort of Thing! I do believe that is how many on the 'Progressive Wing' see those who are not. Rather as Nats see all non-Nats as unthinking, treacherous, despicable non-nationalists and doers-down of their own country and eveything and everyone in it. It's so hard to find a non-loaded term - "left" is too strong for the Liberals and some Greens dislike it, "Liberal" or "socialist" are way out. "Progressive" always makes me think of the Bullmoose Party, but it seems to carry less baggage than the other options, and could be viewed as mostly an opposite to the name Conservative. Surely the opposite to "progressive" is "regressive", not "conservative"? My problem with the term "progressive" is that it sounds positive, whereas the reality is so often the reverse and policies of the "progressive" wing can be regressive e.g. the Grren policy of re-nationalising the railways, going back to an old policy. |
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Post by ohhowshechanged on Jun 6, 2015 19:48:18 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 19, 2015 17:03:28 GMT
Nick Cohen: "I cannot tell you how influential and damaging the consoling belief that Britain is a “progressive” country has been. It stopped the Left being frightened of the Right. It stopped it taking the fight against it seriously. In his bedtime story for lefties, The Conservative Dilemma, Jon Trickett, an ally of Miliband, argued that the Tories could not cope with the 21st century. They couldn’t appeal to their base without appalling the “progressive majority”, or vice versa. Miliband’s Labour, he wrote in 2012, was now free to renounce the compromises of the hated Blair era. It could let rip, march leftwards, and “put an end to triangulation on to Tory territory”. Every assumption he and thousands like him made has now turned to dust."www.standpointmag.co.uk/features-june-2015-nick-cohen-labour-why-the-tories-won |
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