Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 24, 2015 19:05:50 GMT
But then French Republicanism has always a stridently misogynistic element so that's what they would assume even were it not the case.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 24, 2015 20:59:38 GMT
I'm not sure the FN having more visible women makes much of a difference. It has been suspected for decades that the female vote in France contributes disproportionately to Catholic, reactionary or general hard-right parties' vote tallies. Indeed, the Third Republic put off female suffrage for so long, not because the powers that be disagreed with the idea, but because they feared women were more likely to vote for clericalists and conservatives. Of all my French female friends and associates over many decades most have been to the right of me. But in all that time i spent very little time in Greater Paris or any big city except Nice. Nice is wonderfully right wing! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 24, 2015 21:04:17 GMT
But then French Republicanism has always a stridently misogynistic element so that's what they would assume even were it not the case. That's pretty hard to argue with. And also a history of people referring to themselves in the third person or as abstract terms (hello the Miracle of the Republic himself). |
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Post by neilm on Mar 25, 2015 0:00:13 GMT
Who's that?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 29, 2015 18:48:35 GMT
Jean-Pierre Chevenement. Maverick left-wing nationalist and comically arrogant character. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 29, 2015 19:08:40 GMT
Second round, and it seems like the PS have taken a severe, severe beating. Valls has already said that it's been an awful night. The UMP's Pierre Charon has suggested that they've taken back every single department lost since 1998. www.lemonde.fr/politique/live/2015/03/29/suivez-en-direct-les-resultats-du-second-tour-des-elections-departementales-2015_4604794_823448.htmlSome notes: - the FN look like taking Henin-Beaumont 51% to 49%. - the FN conversely look they've lost control of the Vaucluse. - the PS have quite incredibly held onto Tarn, helped in no small manner by the number of three-way contests. - the PCF have lost Allier, the department with the second-highest PCF vote after Somme in recent years. I've not seen a result for Somme yet. If they lose Somme, the PCF will have been annihilated. - Correze, Cotes d'Armor and Nord have apparently gone UMP. This is quite frankly astounding. For those who don't know the areas, Nord voting UMP is a bit like the Rhondda voting Tory. Cotes d'Armor is Brittany's lefty, anti-clerical bastion. - Pas de Calais has already seen 5 cantons go to the FN. - Melenchon has already claimed people are voting UMP and FN because the PS aren't left-wing enough. He's also been going on about Viktor Orban. The PCF have also said something similar. Curiously, they haven't commented on why their respective left-wing alternatives haven't done very well at all. - The PS have, surprisingly, gained the Lozere. |
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Post by neilm on Mar 29, 2015 19:29:33 GMT
Jean-Pierre Chevenement. Maverick left-wing nationalist and comically arrogant character. Indeed. I'd forgotten about him and CERES. Is CERES still going? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 29, 2015 19:30:05 GMT
I'm driving back to Calais tomorrow, and planning on stopping somewhere en-route for dinner. I'll avoid anywhere that has voted FN or PS. Sort of like a reverse-and-legal form of treating.
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Post by dizz on Mar 29, 2015 20:36:24 GMT
I'm driving back to Calais tomorrow, and planning on stopping somewhere en-route for dinner. I'll avoid anywhere that has voted FN or PS. Sort of like a reverse-and-legal form of treating. On that theme our Summer cycling holiday starts in Lozere (Meyrueis).  |
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Post by maxque on Mar 29, 2015 20:36:41 GMT
- the PCF have lost Allier, the department with the second-highest PCF vote after Somme in recent years. I've not seen a result for Somme yet. If they lose Somme, the PCF will have been annihilated. While Somme has a good PCF vote, they don't currently hold department. PS does. PCF only rules another department, Val-de-Marne (SE Paris suburbs). |
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Post by maxque on Mar 29, 2015 20:39:56 GMT
Jean-Pierre Chevenement. Maverick left-wing nationalist and comically arrogant character. Indeed. I'd forgotten about him and CERES. Is CERES still going? It splitted from PS in 1991 to create the MDC, the Citizens's Movement, which was renamed MRC (Republican and Citizen Movement) in 2003. Still around, they have 3 MPs (Val-de-Marne, Aisne and Nord). |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 29, 2015 20:42:52 GMT
I'm driving back to Calais tomorrow, and planning on stopping somewhere en-route for dinner. I'll avoid anywhere that has voted FN or PS. Sort of like a reverse-and-legal form of treating. On that theme our Summer cycling holiday starts in Lozere (Meyrueis). And possibly ends there as nowhere to go out of it? |
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Post by andrea on Mar 29, 2015 20:43:46 GMT
- the PCF have lost Allier, the department with the second-highest PCF vote after Somme in recent years. I've not seen a result for Somme yet. If they lose Somme, the PCF will have been annihilated. While Somme has a good PCF vote, they don't currently hold department. PS does. PCF only rules another department, Val-de-Marne (SE Paris suburbs). Somme goes to the Right, the Commies held Val de Marne. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 29, 2015 20:44:32 GMT
These three-ways splits may presage some similar damage here in May?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 29, 2015 20:48:00 GMT
Jean-Pierre Chevenement. Maverick left-wing nationalist and comically arrogant character. Indeed. I'd forgotten about him and CERES. Is CERES still going? Allegedly, although it's nearly dead. If it survives Chevenement, then it will be as a Belfort regionalist grouping. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 29, 2015 20:48:58 GMT
- the PCF have lost Allier, the department with the second-highest PCF vote after Somme in recent years. I've not seen a result for Somme yet. If they lose Somme, the PCF will have been annihilated. While Somme has a good PCF vote, they don't currently hold department. PS does. PCF only rules another department, Val-de-Marne (SE Paris suburbs). You're quite correct, my error. I always forget Val-de-Marne, I always think of the Red Belt as long dead. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 29, 2015 20:50:24 GMT
Recount in the Vaucluse where the FN are six votes behind...the Ligue du sud!
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Post by maxque on Mar 29, 2015 20:51:03 GMT
Indeed. I'd forgotten about him and CERES. Is CERES still going? Allegedly, although it's nearly dead. If it survives Chevenement, then it will be as a Belfort regionalist grouping. Well, Chevenement is retired and the party collasped in Belfort, so not even. Now, its mostly the personal vehicule of the new leader, the MP and mayor of Kremlin-Bicetre, in Val-de-Marne. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 2, 2015 16:30:49 GMT
 Party affiliation of the new Departmental Presidents. The overall results were poor for the Left (with some random exceptions here and there) but not as bad as had seemed likely. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 2, 2015 17:05:13 GMT
Surprising how many are controlled by Borloo's lot.
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