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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 9:04:52 GMT
Labour would probably be about 4% further ahead in the opinion polls.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 16, 2014 10:07:50 GMT
It rather depends how he won. Are we talking about a narrow victory because a few MPs shift their second preferences, or a convincing victory due to a competent campaign making use of the front-runner's position? The first would immediately have placed him in a position of immense weakness, particularly if reports of his planned conference speech are accurate.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 16, 2014 10:41:12 GMT
UKIP might be doing even better in the polls than they are?
(amongst their lines are regular attacks on "war criminal and torture apologist" Miliband D)
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Post by maxque on Nov 16, 2014 11:47:58 GMT
Would be exactly the same, and we would have the same threads with people claiming than Ed would do 4% better.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 16, 2014 13:22:42 GMT
The proportion of Lib Dem to Labour defectors would be less (they would go Green instead), while the proportion of Conservative to Labour defectors would be more, and they would more or less balance each other out compared with now. Mutterings against the Labour leader would not be significantly different.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 16, 2014 13:45:13 GMT
The Mail would accuse Labour of having elected the wrong brother?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 16, 2014 14:59:36 GMT
The Mail would accuse Labour of having elected the wrong brother? Definitely. |
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 16, 2014 15:14:49 GMT
Would only be a slight difference in political fortune. The problem with labour is not entirely about Ed Milliband. And those who think a change of leader will dramatically improve their fortunes are sadly deluding themselves.
The problem is that the current feeling is not an anti-government feeling but an anti-establishment politics feeling/mood. Given that this is the case, D.Milliband might be a better communicator but labour's fortunes would not improve very much, as both D.Milliband and E/Milliband are seen as part of the labour party and political establishment.
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Post by john07 on Nov 16, 2014 17:35:25 GMT
MerseyMike would still be droning on about Jim Murphy.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 18, 2014 11:03:16 GMT
UKIP might be doing even better in the polls than they are? (amongst their lines are regular attacks on "war criminal and torture apologist" Miliband D) I've never heard it |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 18, 2014 11:18:28 GMT
No, because he was never elected leader!
I woud also expect Farage to make a lot more of his personal opposition to the Iraq war in those circumstances.
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Post by anthony on Nov 18, 2014 12:03:34 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 18, 2014 13:18:34 GMT
ie. I have never heard that line of attack from UKIP. I hadn't appreciated that the Bishop was speaking counterfactually
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Post by neilm on Nov 19, 2014 1:24:49 GMT
It rather depends how he won. Are we talking about a narrow victory because a few MPs shift their second preferences, or a convincing victory due to a competent campaign making use of the front-runner's position? The first would immediately have placed him in a position of immense weakness, particularly if reports of his planned conference speech are accurate. What was allegedly in this speech? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 19, 2014 10:34:12 GMT
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Post by markf on Oct 30, 2016 8:21:24 GMT
David Milliband wins the 2010 Labour leadership contest, the Unite union block vote doesn't do enough for Edd
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 30, 2016 8:27:18 GMT
David Milliband wins the 2010 Labour leadership contest, the Unite union block vote doesn't do enough for Edd I've moved your post to an existing thread on the same subject. |
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Post by markf on Oct 30, 2016 8:38:34 GMT
thank you
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Post by markf on Oct 30, 2016 9:32:21 GMT
DM would have been PM in 2015
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 30, 2016 9:34:04 GMT
The evidence for this is basically non existent, I'm afraid.
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