Rochester and Strood

[Richard Allen]

Nov 10, 2014 17:26:18 GMT troubadour said:

"The most significant by election for 30 years" it has been said. Is it? It's more important than the Eastbourne By election of 1990

Well whatever happens here the result will never come close to matching the Eastborne by election as one of the most shameful moments in the history of British Democracy.

[Deleted]

Total rookie mistake.

[independentukip]

Nov 10, 2014 22:55:07 GMT joe said:

Nov 10, 2014 22:46:46 GMT independentukip said:

Did he think the photo (which he agreed to be in) was taken for the Reckless family album?

At the time of the photo Reckless was the sitting MP.  It is part of this chaps job to interact with the local mp. He is not allowed to back any candidate in an election. 

I don't know his job description but I doubt it says he has to have his photo taken with the local MP with a smile on his face. Is it your contention that the use of the photo infers or implies (take your pick) the gentleman supports Mr Reckless in this campaign? Be careful with your answer as, whilst I won't be looking at any old Tory leaflets, any future Tory leaflets I see may be looked at a little more closely than I would have done otherwise depending on that. And what about campaigning in Schools and Hospitals during election time? "He [Cameron] has started his election campaign with a visit to Birmingham's Queen Elizabeth Hospital, in a bid to illustrate the party's commitment to the NHS." Does that infer or imply those in charge at the time were backing the Conservatives in 2010?

[Devonian]

Nov 10, 2014 22:45:24 GMT Devonian said:

By election hustings debate on BBC Radio Kent right now

Listening to the debate I have to say I'm not impressed by Kelly Tolhurst.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Nov 10, 2014 23:04:13 GMT Richard Allen said:

Nov 10, 2014 17:26:18 GMT troubadour said:

"The most significant by election for 30 years" it has been said. Is it? It's more important than the Eastbourne By election of 1990

Well whatever happens here the result will never come close to matching the Eastborne by election as one of the most shameful moments in the history of British Democracy.

I often wonder if Bellotti's dealings at Brighton & Hove Albion depressed the Lib Dem vote in the area for years afterwards.

[Deleted]

Nov 10, 2014 23:11:56 GMT independentukip said:

Nov 10, 2014 22:55:07 GMT joe said:

At the time of the photo Reckless was the sitting MP.  It is part of this chaps job to interact with the local mp. He is not allowed to back any candidate in an election. 

I don't know his job description but I doubt it says he has to have his photo taken with the local MP with a smile on his face. Is it your contention that the use of the photo infers or implies (take your pick) the gentleman supports Mr Reckless in this campaign? Be careful with your answer as, whilst I won't be looking at any old Tory leaflets, any future Tory leaflets I see may be looked at a little more closely than I would have done otherwise depending on that. And what about campaigning in Schools and Hospitals during election time? "He [Cameron] has started his election campaign with a visit to Birmingham's Queen Elizabeth Hospital, in a bid to illustrate the party's commitment to the NHS." Does that infer or imply those in charge at the time were backing the Conservatives in 2010?

It's the fact that it's with a named senior executive that pushes it over the boundary. An unnamed photo with a nurse is okay. It's not a big deal though.

[Deleted]

Nov 10, 2014 23:18:44 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Nov 10, 2014 23:04:13 GMT Richard Allen said:

Well whatever happens here the result will never come close to matching the Eastborne by election as one of the most shameful moments in the history of British Democracy.

I often wonder if Bellotti's dealings at Brighton & Hove Albion depressed the Lib Dem vote in the area for years afterwards.

Nowhere near as much as Lewes LibDems taking legal action to try and stop the Falmer stadium.

[johnloony]

Nov 10, 2014 22:27:09 GMT maxque said:

It used a picture of a person without his authorisation.

His authorisation was not needed for the use of the photo.

[Andrew_S]

Nov 10, 2014 22:45:24 GMT Devonian said:

By election hustings debate on BBC Radio Kent right now

Is it possible to listen to a recording of the debate?

[Devonian]

Nov 11, 2014 0:15:22 GMT Andrew_S said:

Nov 10, 2014 22:45:24 GMT Devonian said:

By election hustings debate on BBC Radio Kent right now

Is it possible to listen to a recording of the debate?

it was on BBC Radio Kent and BBC 1 South East at 10.30 tonight. No doubt the BBC will put the programme up on the iPlayer shortly.

[maxque]

Nov 11, 2014 0:09:43 GMT johnloony said:

Nov 10, 2014 22:27:09 GMT maxque said:

It used a picture of a person without his authorisation.

His authorisation was not needed for the use of the photo.

Legally, yes, but, morally, it's shady.

[Andrew_S]

Rochester TV debate on iPlayer (available until midnight):

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04plxjz/south-east-today-the-battle-for-rochester-and-strood

[Andrew_S]

"Matthew Goodwin @goodwinmj · 3h 3 hours ago

View of R&S cands. Reckless kept cool in hostile room. Con abrasive. Lab impressive. Lib Dem half asleep. Green genuinely up for it #RSVote"

twitter.com/goodwinmj

[carlton43]

Nov 6, 2014 1:30:19 GMT neilm said:

Daniel Kawcyzinski.

Why?

He has seemed very close follower of the party line and Shrewsbury not a prime UKIP area or threat.

I worked for him when he won that seat and he does not strike me as the type at all. What do you know?

[The Bishop]

Nov 10, 2014 17:05:24 GMT Andrew_S said:

UKIP, Rochford & Southend East: Floyd Waterworth.

warelane.wordpress.com/category/ukip/

Erm, what?

[Andrew_S]

Nov 11, 2014 11:33:55 GMT The Bishop said:

Nov 10, 2014 17:05:24 GMT Andrew_S said:

UKIP, Rochford & Southend East: Floyd Waterworth.

warelane.wordpress.com/category/ukip/

Erm, what?

Did I put it on the wrong thread? Apologies.

[Deleted]

From the Daily Telegraph

avid Cameron has appealed directly to Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green party supporters to back the Conservative at next week’s Rochester and Strood by-election to stop UK Independence Party winning its second MP.
The Prime Minister urged people to consider a tactical vote for other mainstream parties to stop Ukip's candidate Mark Reckless winning the crucial Rochester and Strood by-election and becoming Ukip's second MP.
In a tacit admission that the Conservatives' candidate Kelly Tolhurst could have to rely on other support from other parties to win the crucial poll, Mr Cameron admitted the by-election was a “two-horse race” between the Tories and Ukip.
Mr Cameron’s unusual appeal for tactical voting at the by-election on Nov 20 came as a new poll put the Ukip ahead of the Conservatives by 12 points. The poll by Lord Ashcroft put Ukip on 44 per cent, the Conservatives on 32 per cent, Labour on 17 per cent, the Greens on 4 per cent with the Lib Dems on 2 per cent.
Speaking to the Medway Messenger in the local newspaper’s offices, Mr Cameron said: “I would say to people who have previously voted Labour, Liberal, Green or anything, that if you want a strong local candidate and don’t want some Ukip boost and all the uncertainty and instability that leads to, then Kelly is the choice.

He added: “The campaign is going to shape up in the next ten days into a very clear choice: you can vote for Ukip and be part of the national campaign and another notch for them in their development and then the great caravan will move on, or you can vote for Kelly, who is a hard-working, local person, born and raised locally.
“We have got to focus people on that choice. It is a two horse race; those are the only two real choices and we the more we can get people to focus on who is the right person for the job, with the issues that people are caring about, the more people we can get voting for Kelly.”
Asked if he wanted Labour supporters to consider tactical voting, he said: “Yes, of course. I think there will be lots of Labour supporters in Rochester and Strood who don’t want to see Ukip with their divisiveness and their message succeed here.
"If you want a strong local candidate, then Kelly can be your tribute – she can be someone who stands up for the area.”
He denied that an appeal to supporters of other parties represented a weakness in the Conservative campaign.
“I don’t think so. I think in politics you should always try to reach out to other voters; you should never just rely on your base or core vote; every MP, every candidate, is always trying to win over new supporters.”
“There is a particular opportunity in a by-election, particularly one where you have got such a different campaign. Ukip is trying to make a national point; they are trying to make a disruptive campaign; it is not about Rochester and Strood, it is about them.”

[Deleted]

Nov 11, 2014 18:43:53 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

From the Daily Telegraph

avid Cameron has appealed directly to Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green party supporters to back the Conservative at next week’s Rochester and Strood by-election to stop UK Independence Party winning its second MP.
The Prime Minister urged people to consider a tactical vote for other mainstream parties to stop Ukip's candidate Mark Reckless winning the crucial Rochester and Strood by-election and becoming Ukip's second MP.
In a tacit admission that the Conservatives' candidate Kelly Tolhurst could have to rely on other support from other parties to win the crucial poll, Mr Cameron admitted the by-election was a “two-horse race” between the Tories and Ukip.
Mr Cameron’s unusual appeal for tactical voting at the by-election on Nov 20 came as a new poll put the Ukip ahead of the Conservatives by 12 points. The poll by Lord Ashcroft put Ukip on 44 per cent, the Conservatives on 32 per cent, Labour on 17 per cent, the Greens on 4 per cent with the Lib Dems on 2 per cent.
Speaking to the Medway Messenger in the local newspaper’s offices, Mr Cameron said: “I would say to people who have previously voted Labour, Liberal, Green or anything, that if you want a strong local candidate and don’t want some Ukip boost and all the uncertainty and instability that leads to, then Kelly is the choice.

He added: “The campaign is going to shape up in the next ten days into a very clear choice: you can vote for Ukip and be part of the national campaign and another notch for them in their development and then the great caravan will move on, or you can vote for Kelly, who is a hard-working, local person, born and raised locally.
“We have got to focus people on that choice. It is a two horse race; those are the only two real choices and we the more we can get people to focus on who is the right person for the job, with the issues that people are caring about, the more people we can get voting for Kelly.”
Asked if he wanted Labour supporters to consider tactical voting, he said: “Yes, of course. I think there will be lots of Labour supporters in Rochester and Strood who don’t want to see Ukip with their divisiveness and their message succeed here.
"If you want a strong local candidate, then Kelly can be your tribute – she can be someone who stands up for the area.”
He denied that an appeal to supporters of other parties represented a weakness in the Conservative campaign.
“I don’t think so. I think in politics you should always try to reach out to other voters; you should never just rely on your base or core vote; every MP, every candidate, is always trying to win over new supporters.”
“There is a particular opportunity in a by-election, particularly one where you have got such a different campaign. Ukip is trying to make a national point; they are trying to make a disruptive campaign; it is not about Rochester and Strood, it is about them.”

Cameron wants people to vote tactically for the Tories? The same Cameron who opposed AV which would have allowed people to make their choices sensibly, and not know their vote was wasted? That Cameron?

You know what. Fuck him, and fuck his stupid party that wants to benefit from being voters' second choice, but wants to deny that to us the rest of the time.

[finsobruce]

Nov 11, 2014 22:11:59 GMT jamesdoyle said:

Nov 11, 2014 18:43:53 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

From the Daily Telegraph

Cameron wants people to vote tactically for the Tories? The same Cameron who opposed AV which would have allowed people to make their choices sensibly, and not know their vote was wasted? That Cameron?

You know what. Fuck him, and fuck his stupid party that wants to benefit from being voters' second choice, but wants to deny that to us the rest of the time.

Asked if he wanted Labour supporters to consider tactical voting, he said: “Yes, of course. I think there will be lots of Labour supporters in Rochester and Strood who don’t want to see Ukip with their divisiveness and their message succeed here.
"If you want a strong local candidate, then Kelly can be your tribute

More front than Selfridges that one...

 

[john07]

My problem with the above plea is that is it rather difficult to tell the difference between the Conservatives and UKIP in terms of their rhetoric.The Conservatives are dancing to Farage's tune. Cameron is saying, don't vote for the organ grinder, vote for his monkey.