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Post by Devonian on Sept 24, 2014 12:34:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 16:38:25 GMT
The decline of the SPD is remarkable and they seem unable to recover in or out of government after Schroeder.
The next federal elections are some way off and for the AFD to come third will be quite an achievement.
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Post by neilm on Sept 25, 2014 1:12:14 GMT
The collapse of the FDP is very sad. And simultaneously alarming for us liberals.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 25, 2014 18:24:36 GMT
The decline of the SPD is remarkable and they seem unable to recover in or out of government after Schroeder. Not at all. The screwed over a large section of their base regarding pension reforms and related issues and have suffered accordingly. |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 25, 2014 18:32:58 GMT
The decline of the SPD is remarkable and they seem unable to recover in or out of government after Schroeder. The next federal elections are some way off and for the AFD to come third will be quite an achievement. I suspect that the Greens will probably do best out of the Grand Coalition. However, we face the possible uncertainty of life without Mutti after this Bundestag, that will be interesting. The CDU has very much been dragged to the centre and like Thatcher, Mutti has no clearly obvious successor at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 19:46:29 GMT
Two more polls out since then. CDU/CSU - 41%/39.5%, SDP 24%/24%, Green 10%/9%, Left 9%/9%, AfD 9%/8%.
So pretty close for third.. although the German electorate seems pretty changeable, remember the Greens briefly polling up near 25% and the Pirates?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 25, 2014 21:39:26 GMT
Two more polls out since then. CDU/CSU - 41%/39.5%, SDP 24%/24%, Green 10%/9%, Left 9%/9%, AfD 9%/8%. So pretty close for third.. although the German electorate seems pretty changeable, remember the Greens briefly polling up near 25% and the Pirates? The vote shares for the two Volksparteien normally stay fairly accurate. The 2002 German general election had a poll as I recall that had the FDP on nearly 20%. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 25, 2014 21:40:29 GMT
The decline of the SPD is remarkable and they seem unable to recover in or out of government after Schroeder. The next federal elections are some way off and for the AFD to come third will be quite an achievement. I suspect that the Greens will probably do best out of the Grand Coalition. However, we face the possible uncertainty of life without Mutti after this Bundestag, that will be interesting. The CDU has very much been dragged to the centre and like Thatcher, Mutti has no clearly obvious successor at this point. There is of course one way that the SPD can guarantee themselves victory. A CSU Spitzkandidat  |
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 25, 2014 23:45:34 GMT
The collapse of the FDP is very sad. And simultaneously alarming for us liberals. On the contrary their demise is to be welcomed. They have proven to be quite appalling standard bearers for classic liberalism and have instead supported corporate interests at ever opportunity. |
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Post by Devonian on Oct 31, 2014 22:40:21 GMT
From Wikipedia article on next German Federal election 15-day average trend line of poll results from September 2013 to the present day, with each line corresponding to a political party.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 31, 2014 22:44:05 GMT
It's beginning to look like the FDP's demise is terminal. Germany needs an equivalent of NEOS in Austria- clearly liberal, few ties to the old and discredited predecessor party (although in Austria, the LiF were less discredited than just ineffective).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 23:34:16 GMT
It's beginning to look like the FDP's demise is terminal. Germany needs an equivalent of NEOS in Austria- clearly liberal, few ties to the old and discredited predecessor party (although in Austria, the LiF were less discredited than just ineffective). If the afd manage not to turn into a German version of ukip, then it won't be easy for any classical liberal party to come through. |
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