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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 7:46:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 8:42:06 GMT
but would still vote Labour. The policies and ideas are liked by the polls.
Yes Ed has a problem with voters but is that enough to stop them voting when they like the policies.
would it not be better for politics that people vote for policies and not personality (as unrealistic as that may be ?).
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 8:45:11 GMT
but would still vote Labour. The policies and ideas are liked by the polls. Yes Ed has a problem with voters but is that enough to stop them voting when they like the policies. would it not be better for politics that people vote for policies and not personality (as unrealistic as that may be ?). But he is the guiding light, Captain of the ship. If 20% of his own crew don't like him when they look likely to win, just how quickly will they turn when it gets a little difficult?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 9:07:50 GMT
thats true but a few months ago Cameron had the same issue and prob bigger that 20%.
what is strange is that people like the policies but not the man and yet with his brother in charge (some polls show little difference in ratings) then these policies would not have happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 9:22:04 GMT
thats true but a few months ago Cameron had the same issue and prob bigger that 20%. what is strange is that people like the policies but not the man and yet with his brother in charge (some polls show little difference in ratings) then these policies would not have happened. I don't remember seeing Camerons support down amongst his own voters, if you have a link to the poll I would be interested to take a look. You say these policies would not have happened. But Ed has not been elected yet, and I for one, like many other voters don't believe any leader when it comes to what they say before the Election and then what happens after the elections when they get elected. Haven't Labour said they will have to carry on the Conservatives spending plans. So what will Labour instantly do with a 100% guarantee? That is the difficult question because anything can happen a year from now, and they may be forced to change that stance. Wonder what will be the first broken promise by who ever gets elected 2015?
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Post by Pimpernal on May 20, 2014 15:48:43 GMT
but would still vote Labour. The policies and ideas are liked by the polls. Yes Ed has a problem with voters but is that enough to stop them voting when they like the policies. would it not be better for politics that people vote for policies and not personality (as unrealistic as that may be ?). I do notice that Labour dip in the polls whenever Ed has been on the telly quite a bit... maybe not a problem generally but a bit of a puzzle for the Gen Elections campaign...
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 20, 2014 17:44:19 GMT
but would still vote Labour. The policies and ideas are liked by the polls. Yes Ed has a problem with voters but is that enough to stop them voting when they like the policies. would it not be better for politics that people vote for policies and not personality (as unrealistic as that may be ?). I do notice that Labour dip in the polls whenever Ed has been on the telly quite a bit... maybe not a problem generally but a bit of a puzzle for the Gen Elections campaign... Quite. I have thought for some time that the next GE campaign would be bad news for EM and good news for DC.
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Post by Richard Allen on May 20, 2014 23:44:35 GMT
The blunt reality is that is Ed is crap and simply doesn't look or sound like a Prime Minister in waiting. I know that Labour supporters will deny this obvious truth in the same way that many Tories convinced themselves that William Hague and IDS were capable of leading the Tories to victory.
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Post by greenchristian on May 21, 2014 6:57:12 GMT
The blunt reality is that is Ed is crap and simply doesn't look or sound like a Prime Minister in waiting. I know that Labour supporters will deny this obvious truth in the same way that many Tories convinced themselves that William Hague and IDS were capable of leading the Tories to victory. Or, indeed, Margaret Thatcher.
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Post by justin124 on May 21, 2014 7:10:28 GMT
or Ted Heath who trailed badly behind Harold Wilson back in 1970.
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Post by Richard Allen on May 21, 2014 10:15:23 GMT
Heath and Thatcher were figures of serious substance, Miliband is not.
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Post by The Bishop on May 21, 2014 10:17:29 GMT
I respect Richard's posts, but comparing Miliband with IDS is just silly.
And nobody in Labour is "denying" that his ratings are poor. But some of us think this has as least as much to do with an irredeemably hostile mainstream media. Ed has called nearly all the big strategic questions right during his leadership, which suggests he might not be a bad PM at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 10:19:49 GMT
thats true but a few months ago Cameron had the same issue and prob bigger that 20%. what is strange is that people like the policies but not the man and yet with his brother in charge (some polls show little difference in ratings) then these policies would not have happened. link to key points of yougov leaders pollIt seems Labour voters think Miliband lacks in ost things compared to what Conservatives voters think of Cameron, Miliband even falls short of Clegg in category of being a strong leader. Now yes you may support the policies but don't you want someone who can lead, be strong and decisive. Not just someone who feels your pain.
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