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Post by cefin on May 17, 2014 14:46:13 GMT
Current Lib Dem County councillor and recent former Lord Mayor of Swansea Richard Lewis has had his recent application to join UKIP rejected and told not to bother applying again.
Well to be fair, the Lib Dems are always banging on about UKIP tightening up it's vetting process and it seems they have in this instance and decided that Richard Lewis is only fit to be a Lib Dem Councillor.
Whilst it's understandable that Lewis would want to ditch the ailing Lib Dems it comes to something when rats aren't even able to desert a sinking ship.
So there's an interesting little topic of discussion that Wales' most boring man Peter Black can have with his county council colleague over a nice cup of tea in the Lib Dem group room at Swansea county hall.
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Post by marksenior on May 17, 2014 16:03:46 GMT
Well he was good enough to be a previous UKIP Assembly candidate and is a former Referendum and Conservative party member as well as UKIP
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Post by cefin on May 17, 2014 16:30:36 GMT
Well he was good enough to be a previous UKIP Assembly candidate and is a former Referendum and Conservative party member as well as UKIP I thought that the world's worst political analyst wouldn't be too long in popping along to comment on this particular event. You're perfectly correct (for once) However due to the constant urging of the Lib Dems (and others) we've reassessed our standards and vetting procedures and apparently they are currently much higher than the aforementioned LDs which explains Cllr Lewis' membership rejection and continued membership of the Swansea Liberal Democrats. Best of luck with that one, and I hope the news doesn't create any tensions or discord within the local party as I know how well respected Richard is by his colleagues in the area. |
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Post by marksenior on May 17, 2014 16:44:33 GMT
Well he was good enough to be a previous UKIP Assembly candidate and is a former Referendum and Conservative party member as well as UKIP I thought that the world's worst political analyst wouldn't be too long in popping along to comment on this particular event. You're perfectly correct (for once) However due to the constant urging of the Lib Dems (and others) we've reassessed our standards and vetting procedures and apparently they are currently much higher than the aforementioned LDs which explains Cllr Lewis' membership rejection and continued membership of the Swansea Liberal Democrats. Best of luck with that one, and I hope the news doesn't create any tensions or discord within the local party as I know how well respected Richard is by his colleagues in the area. |
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Post by marksenior on May 17, 2014 16:46:19 GMT
I thought that the world's worst political analyst wouldn't be too long in popping along to comment on this particular event. You're perfectly correct (for once) However due to the constant urging of the Lib Dems (and others) we've reassessed our standards and vetting procedures and apparently they are currently much higher than the aforementioned LDs which explains Cllr Lewis' membership rejection and continued membership of the Swansea Liberal Democrats. Best of luck with that one, and I hope the news doesn't create any tensions or discord within the local party as I know how well respected Richard is by his colleagues in the area. What a smarmy post , clear to see that you are in the right party at any rate . |
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Post by marksenior on May 17, 2014 16:52:45 GMT
Perhaps if Swansea UKIP relaxed their clearly high standards they may be able to actually field at least 1 candidate in Swansea unlike in 2012 .
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Post by greenchristian on May 17, 2014 17:46:15 GMT
Do we know what UKIP's grounds for rejecting his membership application were?
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Post by Richard Allen on May 17, 2014 17:54:11 GMT
Do we know what UKIP's grounds for rejecting his membership application were? Since he was a former UKIP member I would guess that he left on bad terms and was then barred from rejoining. Such things are pretty common in UKIP, often for pretty minor reasons. |
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Post by dizz on May 17, 2014 17:56:15 GMT
Cefin is one of the great entertainers on this forum - always able to show to us what a chip he has on his shoulders.  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 17, 2014 19:05:16 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect?
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 17, 2014 19:15:54 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? Off the top of my head, Trefor Morgan was a chair of contract monitoring committee (pre-Cabinet system) when he defected from the LibDems to the Liberals in 2000-ish. Is that "junior councillor"? |
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Post by finsobruce on May 17, 2014 19:56:23 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? They do but are automatically promoted to Senior councillor when they switch allegiance under the provisions of The Representation of the People Act 2000, Part IX, subsection XXV "Annoying journalistic conventions" imaginary amendments legislation. |
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Post by marksenior on May 17, 2014 20:28:21 GMT
2 more strange things .
He stood for UKIP in the 2005 GE in Gower constituency and I cannot find any trace of this story on the Internet anywhere .
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Post by carlton43 on May 18, 2014 0:05:40 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? No they gain their seniority in the very act of rebellion and defection. |
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Post by cefin on May 18, 2014 0:22:06 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? No you're quite correct. Just like the nutty UKIP Parish councillor who pontificated about gay marriage and floods who was elevated to 'senior UKIP figure' despite him being a total unknown within the party. Or the recent 'senior' young asian UKIP official who left declaring that UKIP was racist despite the fact that neither myself nor anyone I know within the party had ever heard of her. Apparently it's only anyone from from UKIP who is a senior offical if they step out of line even if nobody from the party has never heard of them or are aware of the seniority attributed to them by other political parties., |
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Post by cefin on May 18, 2014 0:29:20 GMT
Perhaps if Swansea UKIP relaxed their clearly high standards they may be able to actually field at least 1 candidate in Swansea unlike in 2012 . Now now Mark Clearly we haven't relaxed our standards, we've obviously tightened them up at the Lib Dems request and unfortunately this has ruled out Richard Lewis' application. I would like to make clear that UKIP will consider any other Swansea Lib Dem councillor's application on a case by case basis without prejudice. So please do not think that the door is totally shut to any of your other councillors despite Richard Lewis' rejection. It's not UKIP's fault that your Lib Dem councillors are trying to bail out. Any chance of you conveying the message that we no longer require any inside information from the Welsh Lib Dems as we no longer consider them a political threat in any way. Thanks very much. |
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Post by cefin on May 18, 2014 0:42:58 GMT
2 more strange things . He stood for UKIP in the 2005 GE in Gower constituency and I cannot find any trace of this story on the Internet anywhere . Well Mark, possibly the reason that you may not be able to find any trace of this on the internet is that to protect the sensitivities of a fading political party UKIP have not issued a press release on the subject However this is the aforementioned internet and here is the confirmation that you crave. Your former Lib Dem Mayor of Swansea appears to be as appalled at your party as the rest of us and he wants to bail out. And who can blame him? But I'm afraid that he doesn't measure up to UKIP's standards and you'll have to keep him. As a caring loving party I'm sure that you will forgive him and there won't be any nastiness or recriminations over this and I look forward to Mr Lewis representing the Lib Dems in Swansea for many years to come, |
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Post by marksenior on May 18, 2014 7:11:56 GMT
Ok cefin , we will ignore everything else we find or cannot find any trace of on the world wide web and come to an embittered twisted person like yourself to find out what is going on .
Why should any councillor of any party let alone the Lib Dems wish to join a UKIP party which contains such an unpleasant fruitcake loony like yourself .
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Post by cefin on May 18, 2014 8:00:03 GMT
Ok cefin , we will ignore everything else we find or cannot find any trace of on the world wide web and come to an embittered twisted person like yourself to find out what is going on . Why should any councillor of any party let alone the Lib Dems wish to join a UKIP party which contains such an unpleasant fruitcake loony like yourself . Language Timothy! No need to get nasty Mark, I'm not sure why you're being so animated it's all just a bit of political discourse, nobody had introduced any unpleasantness into the topic until you appear to be unable to control yourself. You appear to very thin skinned at times which is rather ironic especially when you consider the vitriol towards others that you pour all over the internet in your various postings I'd thought better of the virtuous Lib Dems than that. In view of your unpleasantness I'm not going to let you know about any other approaches made by representatives of your party turned down by UKIP in the future as the information clearly unsettles and upsets you. As regards your question presumably you need to pose it to your own councillors rather than myself. Best of luck with your enquiries. |
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Post by marksenior on May 18, 2014 10:04:14 GMT
Since he was a former UKIP member I would guess that he left on bad terms and was then barred from rejoining. Such things are pretty common in UKIP, often for pretty minor reasons. The Conservatives are pretty unforgiving when it comes to defectors. You can go independent and come back but go anywhere else and they don't take much of a forgiving stance with the sinner. I presume most parties are the same? Not my experience really of the Conservatives or other parties . There was a Conservative councillor who went off to UKIP last year or the year before and the Conservatives accepted him back and elsewhere a Conservative to LD defector was accepted back after spending quite a few years as a LD . |
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