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Post by No Offence Alan on May 18, 2014 10:08:28 GMT
The Conservatives are pretty unforgiving when it comes to defectors. You can go independent and come back but go anywhere else and they don't take much of a forgiving stance with the sinner. I presume most parties are the same? Not my experience really of the Conservatives or other parties . There was a Conservative councillor who went off to UKIP last year or the year before and the ConWeservatives accepted him back and elsewhere a Conservative to LD defector was accepted back after spending quite a few years as a LD . Where I live we had a LD councillor who defected to the SNP and then shortly after re-joined us. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 18, 2014 10:12:33 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? They do but are automatically promoted to Senior councillor when they switch allegiance under the provisions of The Representation of the People Act 2000, Part IX, subsection XXV "Annoying journalistic conventions" imaginary amendments legislation. Another one: "Local party members electing a candidate through a democratic election process" always comes out as "Party bosses have picked ... " |
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Post by Pimpernal on May 18, 2014 11:22:09 GMT
Since he was a former UKIP member I would guess that he left on bad terms and was then barred from rejoining. Such things are pretty common in UKIP, often for pretty minor reasons. The Conservatives are pretty unforgiving when it comes to defectors. You can go independent and come back but go anywhere else and they don't take much of a forgiving stance with the sinner. I presume most parties are the same? Got to say, in Swale they don't seem too fussy given regular moves over the past decade or so... |
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Post by swindonlad on May 18, 2014 11:48:05 GMT
I went Conservative to lib dem (in the late 90s, over Europe), then back about 6 years later. Had no problems, but then again, my reason for leaving was on a national policy & it wasn't seen as an issue locally by those who were around both times as I didn't make it personal against those locally.
Also helped having one of the most pro European candidates going in Robert Buckland
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Post by justin124 on May 19, 2014 7:06:12 GMT
Many Labour members left for the SDP in the early 1980s but were later welcomed back.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 19, 2014 7:11:08 GMT
Cllr. Lewis's recent electoral history (1997 - 2012)
General Election 1997 (Gower constituency) Richard Lewis (Referendum Party) 1,745 votes (4%)
Assembly Election 1999 (Gower constituency) Richard Lewis (Independent) 2,307 votes (8%)
General Election 2001 (Swansea West constituency) Richard Lewis (United Kingdom Independence Party) 653 votes (2%)
Assembly Election 2003 (Wales South West regional list) Richard Lewis was lead candidate for the United Kingdom Independence Party
Local Elections 2004
Gower ward on Swansea
Richard Lewis (Swansea Independent) 883 (54%), Marjorie Stubbings (Con) 391 (24%), David Beech (Lab) 186 (11%), David Howells (Green) 185 (11%).
Swansea Independent WIN with a majority of 492 (30%)
General Election 2005 (Gower constituency) Richard Lewis (United Kingdom Independence Party) 1,264 votes (3%)
Assembly Election 2007 (Swansea West constituency) Richard Lewis (United Kingdom Independence Party) 1,642 votes (7%)
Local Elections 2008
Gower ward on Swansea
Richard Lewis (Swansea Independent) 771 (47% -7%), Marjorie Stubbings (Con) 587 (36% +12%), Michael Shaw (Lab) 144 (9% -2%), David Howells (Green) 136 (8% -3%).
Swansea Independent HOLD with a majority of 184 (11%) on a swing of 9% from Swansea Independent to Conservative
Local Elections 2012
Gower ward on Swansea
Richard Lewis (Liberal Democrat) 826 (58%), Roy Collins (Lab) 358 (25% +16%), Robert Fisher (Con) 232 (16% -20%).
Liberal Democrat WIN (defection from Swansea Independents) with a majority of 468 (33%)
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 7:14:43 GMT
I went Conservative to lib dem (in the late 90s, over Europe), then back about 6 years later. Had no problems, but then again, my reason for leaving was on a national policy & it wasn't seen as an issue locally by those who were around both times as I didn't make it personal against those locally. I guess this is the key point. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on May 19, 2014 8:05:48 GMT
Do Junior councillors ever defect? Yes, a party always loses Junior, erratic back bench councillors. but always gains a senior, hardworking, well respected, long standing, man of the people, excellent local representative from other parties. |
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Post by mrhell on May 19, 2014 22:05:33 GMT
No need to get nasty Mark, I'm not sure why you're being so animated it's all just a bit of political discourse, nobody had introduced any unpleasantness into the topic until you appear to be unable to control yourself. Says the hypocrite who wrote this about Mark early in this in the thread "I thought that the world's worst political analyst wouldn't be too long in popping along to comment on this particular event." |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 19, 2014 23:25:54 GMT
No need to get nasty Mark, I'm not sure why you're being so animated it's all just a bit of political discourse, nobody had introduced any unpleasantness into the topic until you appear to be unable to control yourself. Says the hypocrite who wrote this about Mark early in this in the thread "I thought that the world's worst political analyst wouldn't be too long in popping along to comment on this particular event." I am not sure that calling someone the "the world's worst political analyst" is being unpleasant. It strikes me as a harmless jibe and obvious hyperbole. I know that cefin is somewhat vigorous in his denunciation of the political class and his posts are probably contrary to the spirit of this site but he he isn't the monster that some on here seem to think that he is. |
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Post by libfozzy on May 20, 2014 8:31:21 GMT
So he's what a Tory-UKIP-Lib Dem-attempted UKIP defector? If Swansea had any sense they'd expel him. So I therefore expect him to have a long and fruitful career as a Lib Dem in Swansea. Sigh.
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 20, 2014 17:45:59 GMT
So he's what a Tory-UKIP-Lib Dem-attempted UKIP defector? If Swansea had any sense they'd expel him. So I therefore expect him to have a long and fruitful career as a Lib Dem in Swansea. Sigh. Quite. Some of our local parties seem to be very tolerant of ... er ... interesting views.  |
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Post by Merseymike on May 20, 2014 20:53:44 GMT
Well, given his record of party membership, it seems a bit strange that he was accepted as a LibDem in the first place.
Did no-one point out that the most clear and distinctive policy of the LibDems is enthusiastic support for the European ideal ? One which I share with them, incidentally
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 20, 2014 20:56:25 GMT
Well, given his record of party membership, it seems a bit strange that he was accepted as a LibDem in the first place. Did no-one point out that the most clear and distinctive policy of the LibDems is enthusiastic support for the European ideal ? One which I share with them, incidentally Is it? Oh hell! |
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Post by Merseymike on May 20, 2014 20:57:58 GMT
Well, given his record of party membership, it seems a bit strange that he was accepted as a LibDem in the first place. Did no-one point out that the most clear and distinctive policy of the LibDems is enthusiastic support for the European ideal ? One which I share with them, incidentally Is it? Oh hell! 'Fraid so.....everything else you've sacrificed for the coalition! |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 20, 2014 21:11:13 GMT
'Fraid so.....everything else you've sacrificed for the coalition! Fetch...... the comfy chair! |
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Post by anthony on Jun 8, 2014 8:58:06 GMT
To be fair Cefin, it's anyone who defects from / to any party. The only person who's ever defected round our neck of the woods was the former chairman of London Regional Conservatives, so we kind of felt okay describing him as a "former Top London Tory" . . .  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 10:35:22 GMT
In the forty odd years Preston has existed in its current form, only one defector has successfully defended their seat at subsequent elections.
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