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Post by cefin on Feb 17, 2014 11:35:21 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 17, 2014 11:40:33 GMT
I think we might just agree that Leanne Wood hasn't been a roaring success  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 17, 2014 19:03:38 GMT
The loss of their MEP would be a big blow. But Welsh polls have a history of being terrible, and Plaid's diehard and client votes tend to turnout come hell or high water.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 20:36:45 GMT
The loss of their MEP would be a big blow. But Welsh polls have a history of being terrible, and Plaid's diehard and client votes tend to turnout come hell or high water. Definitely. She'd be missed in Brussels and not just because she follows Green policy more than most Green MEPs.. |
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Post by cibwr on Feb 17, 2014 22:12:46 GMT
Somehow I don't think we will see UKIP so far ahead. As of Leanne it may take some time but she has galvanised Plaid supporters and I think you will see Plaid's vote higher than this poll would suggest.
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Post by cefin on Feb 18, 2014 12:05:39 GMT
Yup all is OK for Plaid now, Carmarthen foghorn Johnathan Edwards appealed for "all progressives to vote plaid to keep UKIP out" on the Sharp end TV programme last night.
Johnathan has obviously been living in the political bubble for too long and has clearly adopted 'politico trendy speak' as his chosen language for desperate clarion calls for help to be bailed out.
I'm not sure if I'm a "Progressive" or not, I used to think that I was a member of the general public who votes.
Does anyone else know if they are a "Progressive" or not? Or just an ordinary voting unit?
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Feb 18, 2014 13:08:05 GMT
Somehow I don't think we will see UKIP so far ahead. As of Leanne it may take some time but she has galvanised Plaid supporters and I think you will see Plaid's vote higher than this poll would suggest. All Plaid Members or just the new and younger and twitter savey members? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 18, 2014 13:09:23 GMT
Complete the follow hackneyed expression:
"Preaching to the..."
Word begins with 'c'.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 18, 2014 14:15:40 GMT
If what is now happening with Plaid under Wood is a core vote strategy, then it should be about as successful as all the previous times and places it has been tried |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 21, 2014 22:08:36 GMT
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 22, 2014 6:54:37 GMT
Those figures really do reflect the fact that a lot of people vote very differently depending on what election they are voting in - Plaid - like the SNP - poll far higher in Assembly elections, where 'welshness' may be seen as an important factor. whilst UKIP score far higher in the Euros where the EU position is seen as more important. I imagine there are many people who are registering a plaid vote for the assembly, a UKIP for the Euros and some other party for Westminster...
This underlines the continued collapse in tribal party politics amongst a more sophisticated electorate, and is something Parties have to look at for the future... should someone who always votes Labour for Westmonster and fervently supports a Labour line in general politics be able to join and actively support that party when come the Assembly elections they'd vote Plaid, and they'd vote UKIP in the Euros? Because if you're going to stop those people becoming active generally for Labour, you are seriously diminishing your potential activist base.
All partied are going to have to come to terms with the realities of a far mor flexible system of allegiance...
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Post by 3stimate on Feb 22, 2014 7:47:05 GMT
There is another interesting crossbreak in this poll: Conservatives who would vote "Yes" to devolution of income tax raising powers. All the media attention has been given to the division between the Westminster government line on Income tax devolution (Lockstep) and the Cardiff Tory line, (each element to be adjusted separately). In Cardiff, holding the UK government line cost three AMs their shadow ministerial positions.
There is only one political party in Wales that has openly come out and said that it doesn't want ANY devolution of tax raising powers and that is UKIP. When you look at Tory voter's opinion on the matter you see that 71% are against income tax devolution and only 16% are in favour. They are Unionist in thinking and ripe to move over to UKIP, who reflect their views. It's worth noting that Tax devolution is popular only with the politicos and rabid devolutionists......and Plaid of course. Poor old Wales that has no major party in tune with popular opinion on so many issues.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 22, 2014 10:34:41 GMT
Those regional cross-breaks are anything but credible. Do remember that they aren't individually weighted. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 22, 2014 12:34:32 GMT
In the olden days, "Progessives" in local government were usually Tories or Liberals who couldn't get elected under their own banners.
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Post by cefin on Feb 22, 2014 12:37:30 GMT
I've taken your test
And mercifully I don't now have to vote for Plaid Cymru 'The party of hypocrisy'
Thank you, I was worried for a while.
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 22, 2014 13:43:57 GMT
Those regional cross-breaks are anything but credible. Do remember that they aren't individually weighted. Were it not for my belief in minimal governance I would advocate introducing a law that would require all pollsters to explain this basic concept in clear English on each and every poll that they release. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 22, 2014 14:25:13 GMT
In the olden days, "Progessives" in local government were usually Tories or Liberals who couldn't get elected under their own banners. Its just another socialist Euphemism to me. It means using the state machinery for taking money from some people and giving it to others, on the basis of a supposed 'fairness', the criteria of which, you decide upon. In Sheffield the Progressives were the anti-socialist alliance. ...lead by Liberal group leader William Clegg and resulted in his party being subsumed into the Conservatives... |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 22, 2014 14:26:38 GMT
In the olden days, "Progessives" in local government were usually Tories or Liberals who couldn't get elected under their own banners. I don't think Progressives were ever Tories in the UK . The Progressives on the on the old LCC were the Liberal party before they collapsed out of sight. Conservatives usually stood as Municipal Reform or moderates. Leading up to the Second world war liberals started to stand under these labels too. The conservatives in Canada are, of course, Progressive conservatives. These words can mean different things to different people. Radical is an even better example - Disraeli initially stood as a radical IIRC. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 22, 2014 14:30:10 GMT
Its just another socialist Euphemism to me. It means using the state machinery for taking money from some people and giving it to others, on the basis of a supposed 'fairness', the criteria of which, you decide upon. In Sheffield the Progressives were the anti-socialist alliance. ...lead by Liberal group leader William Clegg and resulted in his party being subsumed into the Conservatives... Clegg? Now where have I heard that name before?  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 22, 2014 14:33:00 GMT
In Sheffield the Progressives were the anti-socialist alliance. ...lead by Liberal group leader William Clegg and resulted in his party being subsumed into the Conservatives... Clegg? Now where have I heard that name before? Last of the Summer Wine. Co-incidentally played by the same actor who plays the voice of the animated character who some people think resembles Ed Miliband. |
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