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Post by Devonian on Feb 15, 2014 14:09:00 GMT
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 18, 2014 17:22:56 GMT
Results from 2009:
| PP | 42.1% | +0.9% | 24 seats | nc | EPP | | PSOE | 38.8% | -4.7% | 23 seats | -2 | PES | | CEU | 5.1% | -0.1% | 3 seats | +1 | ALDE | | IU | 3.7% | -0.4% | 2 seats | nc | EUL-NGL | | UPyD | 2.9% | +2.9% | 1 seat | +1 | | | EdP-V | 2.5% | nc | 1 seat | nc | EGP |
The current polling figures represent quite a big shift from the big two (and CEU) compared to last time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 22:00:24 GMT
Results from 2009:
| PP | 42.1% | +0.9% | 24 seats | nc | EPP | | PSOE | 38.8% | -4.7% | 23 seats | -2 | PES | | CEU | 5.1% | -0.1% | 3 seats | +1 | ALDE | | IU | 3.7% | -0.4% | 2 seats | nc | EUL-NGL | | UPyD | 2.9% | +2.9% | 1 seat | +1 | | | EdP-V | 2.5% | nc | 1 seat | nc | EGP |
The current polling figures represent quite a big shift from the big two (and CEU) compared to last time. One of the MEPs elected from the IU list is from ICV (Catalan Greens) as they ran a join list and I believe they will be doing so again. Raul Romeva sits in the Green group, great MEP and it's a shame he's not re-standing. ICV considered standing with Equo (relatively new Spanish Greens), but didn't.. probably because it's doubtful Equo will get enough support. So two EGP sanctioned Green parties will be standing against each other, along with the old Greens. In the end with ERC and the ICV from the IU-ICV list there could be ~4 Green-EFA MEPs coming from Spain (+2). With another poll showing Equo around 3% they may even end up sneaking an MEP regardless, although they are running with Compromis (Valencian regionalists with whom they share an MP). |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 18, 2014 22:24:11 GMT
I should also have pointed out that those seat totals are actually after the extra seats were added in 2011. Spain had gone down from 54 to 50 in 2009 but was put back up to 54 in 2011 and will have 54 this year (hence the 54 being a better comparison)
Actual 2009 seats: PP 23, PSOE 21 CEU 2; IU 2; UPyd 1; EdP-v 1
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Post by Devonian on Feb 23, 2014 16:11:37 GMT
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Post by neilm on Mar 10, 2014 10:39:00 GMT
I have been particularly impressed by Union Progreso y Democracia, and I hope that they do well in these elections. Likewise. Spanish politics needs sanity- were I still there, I'd be voting for the PSOE in these elections. |
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Post by Devonian on Mar 28, 2014 22:41:02 GMT
Metroscopia poll taken 11-19 March PSOE 29.0% 18 seats PP 25.7% 16 seats IU 14.1% 9 seats UPyD 8.4% 5 seats ERC 4.5% 2 seats CIU+PNV+CC 4.0% 2 seats Ciutadans 2.0% 1 seat Bildu+BNG 1.8% 1seat  So the only real change seems to be a break up of regionalist party lists |
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Post by neilm on Mar 29, 2014 1:12:55 GMT
I can actually vote in Spain for these elections. I'm tempted to rather than the UK.
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Post by Devonian on Mar 29, 2014 8:37:11 GMT
I can actually vote in Spain for these elections. I'm tempted to rather than the UK. Would I be right in assuming that you'd vote for the PP? |
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Post by neilm on Mar 29, 2014 9:55:50 GMT
Unlikely. I'm minded to go for the PSOE because of the Gibraltar issue and have been impressed by UPyD. The CiU is tempting as well but I suspect they may have a miniature meltdown, Mas isn't handling things brilliantly but where the vote goes is anyone's guess as the smaller left wing Catalan parties don't really have the ability to grab seats on a single national list.
I have a postal vote here but a Spanish one at my La Linea address. I've got to turn up over there and it's not 100% I'll be in Spain on the day. Small confession also- I didn't realise that Spain had a signal national list until last week because one occasionally sees 'Andalucian MEP' etc as a description on the news/in the paper.
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Post by Devonian on Mar 29, 2014 10:48:22 GMT
Unlikely. I'm minded to go for the PSOE because of the Gibraltar issue and have been impressed by UPyD. The CiU is tempting as well but I suspect they may have a miniature meltdown, Mas isn't handling things brilliantly but where the vote goes is anyone's guess as the smaller left wing Catalan parties don't really have the ability to grab seats on a single national list. I have a postal vote here but a Spanish one at my La Linea address. I've got to turn up over there and it's not 100% I'll be in Spain on the day. Small confession also- I didn't realise that Spain had a signal national list until last week because one occasionally sees 'Andalucian MEP' etc as a description on the news/in the paper. I should have remembered the PP's banging the drum over Gibraltar. Looking at the list of major parties in Spain I'm not sure I would vote for any of them. |
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Post by neilm on Mar 29, 2014 11:00:59 GMT
The PP is appealing to the worst side of Spaniards nationally, and the national party (plus the Alacade in Algeciras) don't seem hugely bothered about how much they're hurting regular Spaniards in the Campo. Additonally they don't seem too bothered about Andalucia in general.
The recent burst of social conservatism from them isn't great either.
The quality of politicians would be markedly improved if Spain was a federal state rather than the half way house we have now, it's a real mish mash (although Andalucia is one of the more powerful communities). Although they'd probably still want to have lots of overstaffed local TV stations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 11:07:01 GMT
Given the choice in Spain I can't see for the life of me why you would want to vote there in preference to here.
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Post by neilm on Mar 29, 2014 12:06:45 GMT
Novelty value, basically.
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Post by Devonian on Apr 27, 2014 18:46:49 GMT
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Post by neilm on Apr 27, 2014 23:12:36 GMT
That is some turnaround for the PP. I'm not sure they can stay ahead.
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Post by neilm on Apr 29, 2014 15:47:52 GMT
PSOE is getting a lot of support in Andalucia where the smaller parties don't really appear. That's probably what is propping them up. As for the rest, I've no idea why they aren't gaining.
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Post by Devonian on Jun 8, 2014 18:28:32 GMT
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Post by neilm on Jun 10, 2014 0:35:55 GMT
Yes, in comparison to the IU who come across as nutters at times.
I think the devolution concerns UPyD have could be squared if each community was the same whereas the current statutes of autonomy vary. Andalusia is a particular stand out because it's treated as a nationality and really isn't. It's time the constitution was reviewed really.
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 10, 2014 6:19:48 GMT
As I understand it both Catalonia and the Basque country have more powers than the other regions.
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