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Post by woollyliberal on Jan 6, 2014 7:53:10 GMT
An interesting snippet from the Ashcroft poll. The higher the level of your education, the more likely you are to vote Lib Dem and the less likely you are to vote UKIP.
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Post by johnr on Jan 6, 2014 10:01:16 GMT
No they aren't as important or powerful as they once were (one of the reasons why Tory hopes for a repeat of 1992 are likely misplaced) But they still have influence - undoubtedly part of the "public perception" of Miliband cited above is media-led. (and "media" doesn't just mean the papers, of course - the BBC in particular has toed the pro-coalition line very obediently since 2010, with only a few exceptions) The public perception of Milliband is Milliband led. The idea that the BBC is pro coalition is plainly laughable and I don't se you bleating about the pro Labour bias at the Mirror, Guardian and the "Independent". I think its fairly obvious that there is no pro-Labour bias at the Guardian - a paper which recommended its readers to vote Lib Dem in 2010 and has enthusiasticly supported the coalition ever since. There are some columnists who support the Labour party - but that is not the papers own views or spin. As can be clearly seen in headlines misleadingly claiming the Lib Dems were voting against the Bedroom Tax (it was actually a Labour motion which had 2 Lib Dem rebels supporting it). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 10:47:23 GMT
An interesting snippet from the Ashcroft poll. The higher the level of your education, the more likely you are to vote Lib Dem and the less likely you are to vote UKIP. Interesting, but not surprising. I presume the order would be LD > Con > Lab > UKIP |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 10:47:58 GMT
The public perception of Milliband is Milliband led. The idea that the BBC is pro coalition is plainly laughable and I don't se you bleating about the pro Labour bias at the Mirror, Guardian and the "Independent". - a paper which recommended its readers to vote Lib Dem in 2010 and has enthusiasticly supported the coalition ever since. There are some columnists who support the Labour party - but that is not the papers own views or spin. As can be clearly seen in headlines misleadingly claiming the Lib Dems were voting against the Bedroom Tax (it was actually a Labour motion which had 2 Lib Dem rebels supporting it).  |
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Post by johnr on Jan 6, 2014 11:18:22 GMT
Not clear what you're suggesting here - unless you think that backing the Lib Dems and supporting Nick Clegg and the coalition is some indication of pro-Labour bias?
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 6, 2014 12:22:37 GMT
Indeed, johnr - most people who think the Graun is a stereotypical Labour rag have evidently never read it since 2010 (or, I suspect in some cases, ever) As for the BBC, I could do a lengthy spiel about how it has behaved since the GE - but I suspect that just two words will suffice. Nick Robinson  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 12:56:16 GMT
Indeed, johnr - most people who think the Graun is a stereotypical Labour rag have evidently never read it since 2010 (or, I suspect in some cases, ever) As for the BBC, I could do a lengthy spiel about how it has behaved since the GE - but I suspect that just two words will suffice. Nick Robinson Its certainly anti-tory. You could equally say the mail and telegraph are pretty critical of the tories a lot of the time, but the remain anti-labour. The BBC is doing exactly what it did for you when you were in government. Backing the governments positive arguments as they want to cast a positive light on the country. At least it is consistent. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 6, 2014 14:05:10 GMT
The political stance of the Guardian is a psephological non-issue. It has a small readership, which is not concentrated in the most important marginal seats. Similarly for the Indie. If we're considering the dailies and Sundays as a whole, it's clear that the instinctively Tory papers occupy the predominant position and it may be presumed that this has some effect on the overall news environment, particularly since one of the ways the BBC tries to preserve neutrality is by following up on stories originally broken by other parts of the press. It's not bleating to say that taken as a whole the media are a positive for the Conservatives, it's merely a factor that needs to be taken into consideration.
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Post by erlend on Jan 6, 2014 17:04:45 GMT
In a good Labour year (97/01) they probably count as neutral. In a medium good year like 05 that goes slightly negative and in poorer years such 2010 they probably are a medium benefit to the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 19:06:24 GMT
In a good Labour year (97/01) they probably count as neutral. In a medium good year like 05 that goes slightly negative and in poorer years such 2010 they probably are a medium benefit to the Tories. The BBC are surely more pro-Lib Dem than tory or labour and pretty anti-UKIP. |
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Post by erlend on Jan 6, 2014 20:46:29 GMT
I think in good LD times the BBC is prpbabåy quite good. More disillusipned ex LD now. Think posh Islington.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2014 21:04:24 GMT
Whåt's háppèned tø your këyboarð?
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Post by erlend on Jan 6, 2014 21:13:59 GMT
Well analysed David. The mobile gets set to various Nordic layouts. Add my badd typing particularly on mobile and ouch.
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Post by myth11 on Jan 6, 2014 22:19:11 GMT
in terms of sheer numbers the cons/lab/lib dems are all down e.g notts 1993 lab 137000 votes in 2013 they got 71500 1st place votes At that time, Nottinghamshire included the city of Nottingham, which is now a unitary authority. yes a error on my part sorry about that |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 11:46:19 GMT
I think in good LD times the BBC is prpbabåy quite good. More disillusipned ex LD now. Think posh Islington. "Prpbabåy" could be a new detective drama. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 13:02:39 GMT
I think in good LD times the BBC is prpbabåy quite good. More disillusipned ex LD now. Think posh Islington. "Prpbabåy" could be a new detective drama. Set somewhere in the highlands, with carlton and Kris as the odd couple detectives. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2014 13:31:34 GMT
"Prpbabåy" could be a new detective drama. Set somewhere in the highlands, with carlton and Kris as the odd couple detectives. Old and young; good cop bad cop; Bute and Ross as backdrop; spies asnd subs; drug smuggling to remote beaches; phantom windfarm scam; cult religion in ancient island-based castle: Hey! We have half a series already. First script conference James? Where...when? ADD First working title 'Pabbiedaig Adventures'! |
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Post by thirdchill on Jan 7, 2014 13:48:34 GMT
While it's true that the guardian is nowhere near as positive about labour (or negative about the coalition) as, for example, the mirror, I can't see it outright supporting the lib dems as in 2010.
It'll privately prefer a labour-lib dem coalition post-2015, with a labour majority government as it's 2nd preferred option. Given that the guardian has the lowest number of readers that support the conservatives (think it was about 6%, as opposed to 15% for The Mirror), I can't see it supporting any potential government that involves the conservatives.
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