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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 15, 2018 19:50:04 GMT
As a Catholic, I find this a bizarre conclusion. Why? CSV had a strong tradition of "Christian" socialism and the CSV-leader had ruled out a coalition with ADR before the election, so the GREENS are probably sexy for him/her, what is very usual on the continent. A proponent of CSV's rightliberal BigBusiness-wing or a nonChristian CSV-conservative would prefer DP or ADR. You misunderstand me, I was referring to the conclusion that to work with the Greens would mean "that CSV are led by some kind of weird left exCatholic ruling out ADR totally and dreaming of the GREENS as bride.." As a Catholic left-winger, Christian Democracy being in some sympathy with the Green Party on a number of issues rather than the ADR seems not too strange to me. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 15, 2018 20:51:47 GMT
Why? CSV had a strong tradition of "Christian" socialism and the CSV-leader had ruled out a coalition with ADR before the election, so the GREENS are probably sexy for him/her, what is very usual on the continent. A proponent of CSV's rightliberal BigBusiness-wing or a nonChristian CSV-conservative would prefer DP or ADR. You misunderstand me, I was referring to the conclusion that to work with the Greens would mean "that CSV are led by some kind of weird left exCatholic ruling out ADR totally and dreaming of the GREENS as bride.." As a Catholic left-winger, Christian Democracy being in some sympathy with the Green Party on a number of issues rather than the ADR seems not too strange to me. You point out exactly, what i meant: For left-wing Catholics the GREENS are the first (or second choice), aren't they? So i cannot detect any dissonance here. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 15, 2018 21:25:51 GMT
You misunderstand me, I was referring to the conclusion that to work with the Greens would mean "that CSV are led by some kind of weird left exCatholic ruling out ADR totally and dreaming of the GREENS as bride.." As a Catholic left-winger, Christian Democracy being in some sympathy with the Green Party on a number of issues rather than the ADR seems not too strange to me. You point out exactly, what i meant: For left-wing Catholics the GREENS are the first (or second choice), aren't they? So i cannot detect any dissonance here. You called him a weird left exCatholic, so plenty of dissonance. As a Catholic left-winger, my second choice would be Christian Democrats, after Socialists. Not an option in the UK. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Oct 16, 2019 12:53:28 GMT
I'll be taking the opportunity that the official results of the 2018 GE at elections.public.lu/fr/elections-legislatives/2018/resultats-officiels.html have slightly fewer valid ballots than the provisional results published currently in the English wikipedia to weave a numerical web which starts by introducing a difference between ballots and votes in a table that shows how many 'voted' where and how much.
constituency electorate valid seats votes valid-blank%
Centre 72986 59218 21 1158948 6.81
East 36595 31351 7 211381 3.68
North 47223 40189 9 344537 4.75
South 103083 85266 23 1814971 7.45
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Sums&Averages 259887 216024 60 3529837 6.22
There are as many votes per valid ballot as there are seats in its constituency, unless explicitly the full slate wasn't marked, and the last column displays the share of these lacking votes among the valid ballots. The actually cast votes went to the various lists as follows:
constit. CSV DP LSAP gréng ADR Piraten Lénk KPL Dem. Kon.
Centre 337689 280143 135967 187797 79159 59539 66253 8448 3953 n/a
East 62156 43677 27222 34930 20255 14761 6984 1396 n/a n/a
North 111067 59039 54632 44728 33751 26421 12165 2734 n/a n/a
South 488448 214216 403400 266464 159199 126830 108189 32334 6375 9516
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Sums 999360 597075 621221 533919 292364 227551 193591 44912 10328 9516
For the party vote shares below the constituency votes are divided by the number of the seats allocated to it.
Sums CSV DP LSAP gréng ADR Piraten Lénk KPL Dem. Kon.
202578.9 58537.5 35453.3 33972.8 30487.9 17334.9 13393.9 10208.2 2311.3 465.4 413.7
100.02 28.9 17.5 16.77 15.05 8.55 6.61 5.06 1.15 .23 .2
This is referenced to as the 'theoretical electors result' on the provisional results page, as opposed to 'vote numbers result' which is the one that tends to get republished. While a better rendition than the latter, one remaining glitch with that method is that the voters in the South constituency do have a harder time with their panachés than the Orientals, which shows up neatly in the already mentioned last column of the first table. An arguably alternative method is to instead factor the votes by the number of valid ballots for that constituency, and the next table sports its results. Theoretically it'd be possible to favour the other ballots in the constituency by not marking the full slate, but that comes at a proportionate cost to the total weight of the ballot, and it is safe to assume that the amount of ballots marked with that intent is negligible, if any.
Sums CSV DP LSAP gréng ADR Piraten Lénk KPL Dem. Kon.
216023.9 62375.8 37742.6 36308.9 32512 18464.8 14271.8 10922.8 2476.6 501.5 447.1
99.99 28.87 17.47 16.81 15.05 8.56 6.61 5.04 1.14 .23 .21
The difference between both sets of results is small enough that it takes the proverbial two digit fractions engineer to spot it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 16, 2019 16:55:02 GMT
You point out exactly, what i meant: For left-wing Catholics the GREENS are the first (or second choice), aren't they? So i cannot detect any dissonance here. You called him a weird left exCatholic, so plenty of dissonance. As a Catholic left-winger, my second choice would be Christian Democrats, after Socialists. Not an option in the UK. I know this was an old post, but I wonder how you'd vote in Wallonia, with a rather sulphurous PS and a very wet and very Catholic Christian Democrat outfit. Or the more obviously socialist but a bit crackers PTB. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 16, 2019 17:36:18 GMT
You called him a weird left exCatholic, so plenty of dissonance. As a Catholic left-winger, my second choice would be Christian Democrats, after Socialists. Not an option in the UK. I know this was an old post, but I wonder how you'd vote in Wallonia, with a rather sulphurous PS and a very wet and very Catholic Christian Democrat outfit. Or the more obviously socialist but a bit crackers PTB. I couldn't vote PS as things stand, the PTB are a communist group so, given that the HDC embrace state intervention and have a centre-left economic policy, I would definitely be grateful to have that choice in Wallonia. |
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