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Post by neilm on Nov 27, 2014 10:15:55 GMT
I was expecting Sudeley's to be a bonkers rant but it seems fairly sensible.
Lord Oriel hasn't really grasped this crossbench thing, has he.
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Post by Devonian on Dec 10, 2014 18:11:22 GMT
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Post by David Boothroyd on Dec 10, 2014 19:51:52 GMT
The House of Lords authorities appear to have invented a way of doing multi-member AV elections and which isn't STV. They run the election for one post, then when they have a winner, run it again but with the winner of the first election excluded.
This approach might work in practice, but why not just use STV?
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 10, 2014 20:16:06 GMT
Running it as a two seat STV election could give a different result (maybe not in this case, but in a more polarised election it certainly would).
Doing it this way replicates what would have happened if there was time to hold the first by-election before the second vacancy occurred.
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Post by johnloony on Dec 11, 2014 3:21:26 GMT
The House of Lords authorities appear to have invented a way of doing multi-member AV elections and which isn't STV. They run the election for one post, then when they have a winner, run it again but with the winner of the first election excluded. This approach might work in practice, but why not just use STV? They haven't invented it, because it's already an existing system (albeit in anoraky textbooks* rather than in the real world). they may have re-invented it , albeit unwittingly and unintentionally, but they didn't invent it ab initio. Why not STV? Because STV is designed to be proportional (i.e. proportional according to whatever criteria are considered important by the voters (usually party, but not always)), meaning that each elected candidate represents a third of the voters, whereas repeated AV finds the majority opinion repeatedly. Repeated AV (or Multiple AV, which is similar) are the transferable-vote equivalents of multi-member FPTP, i.e. the largest single party (or the majority party) usually gets all the seats available, whereas under STV they are shared out more evenly. P.S.* "Comparative Electoral Systems" by Robert A. Newland published by the Arthur MacDougall Fund, 1982, ISBN 0 903278 07 3, pages 30 to 32   |
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Post by maxque on Dec 11, 2014 4:22:36 GMT
Who decided to run things that way? The House of Lords, or the "Electoral Reform Services" (part of the Electoral Reform Society), who organised it?
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Post by Devonian on Jan 21, 2015 22:42:02 GMT
Another by election for another two vacancies on the Cross Benches. Vote to be held on 2 Feb, results announced 3 Feb List of candidates Albemarle, E. Aldington, L. Cadman, L. Clanwilliam, E. (L. Clanwilliam) Cork and Orrery, E. (L. Boyle) Darling, L. Hampton, L. Hemphill, L. Hood, V. Kinnoull, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Marlborough, D. Mountgarret, V. (L. Mountgarret) Napier and Ettrick, L. Sempill, L. Sudeley, L. Thurlow, L. Tryon, L. Full details and candidate statements here www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2014/Lords-notice-list-of-candidates-Chorley-Abernethy.pdf |
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Post by neilm on Jan 22, 2015 0:29:05 GMT
Lord Sudeley again. Without looking, I bet he mentions the Book of Common Prayer.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 22, 2015 0:42:11 GMT
Lord Sudeley again. Without looking, I bet he mentions the Book of Common Prayer. Spot on. Along with a interest in improving the teaching of history in schools to protect the British constitution. I see that Lord Lloyd-George has worked in insurance "specialising in political risks" and Lord Cork and Orrery served in submarines and has a life long interest in dendronology. An interesting bunch... |
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Post by boogieeck on Jan 27, 2015 20:04:24 GMT
The congenital idle rich do indeed have a wider range of arcane hobbies than those who have had to work for a living, as well as having had an expensive education, even if not personally all that bright. If we wished to put 92 random punters into Parliament, hereditary peerages certainly have their merits.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 27, 2015 21:04:01 GMT
Although I'm not sure anybody who's a member of a forum such as this is really in a position to criticise others' arcane hobbies  |
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Post by boogieeck on Jan 27, 2015 23:08:22 GMT
Actually, drawing half a dozen random members from this Forum to sit in the Lords would not be a bad idea.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 27, 2015 23:27:02 GMT
Actually, drawing half a dozen random members from this Forum to sit in the Lords would not be a bad idea. Ummmmmmmmm! As a pessimist I fear it would not add much of merit and could just be dire. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 28, 2015 17:59:53 GMT
Hmm, hereditary peers, life peers, and amateur psephologist peers. Quite a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 21:14:15 GMT
Hereditary Peers' By-election; have you ever heard a more depressing phrase?
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 28, 2015 22:25:54 GMT
Hereditary Peers' By-election; have you ever heard a more depressing phrase? Oh yes GC many many more depressing phrases. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 22:59:20 GMT
Hereditary Peers' By-election; have you ever heard a more depressing phrase? Oh yes GC many many more depressing phrases. You keep calling me GC. I am not Green Christian, as lovely as he is. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 28, 2015 23:20:45 GMT
Oh yes GC many many more depressing phrases. You keep calling me GC. I am not Green Christian, as lovely as he is. Early onset dementia in all probability, coupled with crass carelessness. 1000-apologies. It is not confusion between the two of you......just lack of care and attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 23:25:36 GMT
You keep calling me GC. I am not Green Christian, as lovely as he is. Early onset dementia in all probability, coupled with crass carelessness. 1000-apologies. It is not confusion between the two of you......just lack of care and attention. No trouble buddy. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 29, 2015 22:59:48 GMT
Oh yes GC many many more depressing phrases. You keep calling me GC. I am not Green Christian, as lovely as he is. I'm lovely?  |
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