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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 14:47:02 GMT
ah sorry the ein volk was a reply ... silly me ...
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 2, 2013 17:03:36 GMT
exactly, I would love to put in our manifesto we would abolish it, win an election and just do it with the mandate ... As for being partisan the HoL is just that after your latest round of top heavy LD and tory nominations of party donors. Ian, Ian, Ian... Given that there are STILL more labour lords than tory ones which party do you think was being the most partisan in its appointments. That's the function of thirteen years of appointments. The coalition is acting rather more quickly to shift the balance in its favour. Mind you, I expect in future all governments will act similarly quickly with appointments, at least until the inevitable cuts in numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 17:08:44 GMT
Ian, Ian, Ian... Given that there are STILL more labour lords than tory ones which party do you think was being the most partisan in its appointments. That's the function of thirteen years of appointments. The coalition is acting rather more quickly to shift the balance in its favour. Mind you, I expect in future all governments will act similarly quickly with appointments, at least until the inevitable cuts in numbers. There should clearly be rules as to how the appointments should be divided. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 2, 2013 17:31:45 GMT
Would that have the effect of parties nominating younger and younger people to the HoL, to ensure that their proportion of the vote at that GE continued to count for as long as possible?
That must harm the chances of anyone from Glasgow ever being nominated again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 17:32:08 GMT
the fact you want rules on appointments shows how nonsense the whole place is really.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2013 20:33:31 GMT
But if they abolish the Seanad...what will Ivana Bacik do?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 2, 2013 22:35:33 GMT
Lose more elections?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 2, 2013 23:07:40 GMT
Change her surname to 'Gohome'?
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Post by erlend on Oct 3, 2013 0:25:27 GMT
Is the second referendum on a court of appeal too much of a foregone conclusion?
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Post by obsie on Oct 3, 2013 16:24:51 GMT
But if they abolish the Seanad...what will Ivana Bacik do? She's tried to get nominated in Dublin South East (now Dublin Bay South) on previous occasions but got blocked by Ruairí Quinn before the 2011 election through insisting that the two candidates in the constituency be nominated from geographical areas with Quinn taking the nomination from Rathmines/Ranelagh/Sandymount (Bourgeois Bohemia) and Kevin Humphries taking the nomination from South East Inner City/Ringsend (working class with a garnish of hipster). She was then passed on to Dún Laoghaire (more BoBo, less hipster) but got edged out by the SWP. Quinn is likely to retire next time round. Dublin Bay South is probably the most likely constituency where Labour could hold a seat, even with only 6% support nationally. Legislation has been passed to try to ensure that parties nominate at least 30% female candidates next time to get state funding. Bacik - naturally - lives in Dublin South East. Quinn's nephew, Oisín Quinn, is already a councillor for the area and current Lord Mayor and is likely to try to prevent Ivana taking a nomination, but she is likely to use the gender quota argument to try to win selection. Humphries is almost certainly toast in any case. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 3, 2013 18:51:20 GMT
But if they abolish the Seanad...what will Ivana Bacik do? She's tried to get nominated in Dublin South East (now Dublin Bay South) on previous occasions but got blocked by Ruairí Quinn before the 2011 election through insisting that the two candidates in the constituency be nominated from geographical areas with Quinn taking the nomination from Rathmines/Ranelagh/Sandymount (Bourgeois Bohemia) and Kevin Humphries taking the nomination from South East Inner City/Ringsend (working class with a garnish of hipster). She was then passed on to Dún Laoghaire (more BoBo, less hipster) but got edged out by the SWP. Quinn is likely to retire next time round. Dublin Bay South is probably the most likely constituency where Labour could hold a seat, even with only 6% support nationally. Legislation has been passed to try to ensure that parties nominate at least 30% female candidates next time to get state funding. Bacik - naturally - lives in Dublin South East. Quinn's nephew, Oisín Quinn, is already a councillor for the area and current Lord Mayor and is likely to try to prevent Ivana taking a nomination, but she is likely to use the gender quota argument to try to win selection. Humphries is almost certainly toast in any case. That's interesting. I always had her down as the type who just annoyed the electorate! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 5, 2013 9:25:21 GMT
Counting at the moment. Some of the early box tallies suggest that the vote on the Seanad abolition is not the easy win expected and will be very close.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 5, 2013 9:47:32 GMT
It now seems fairly clear that the referendum on Seanad abolition has been lost. Ireland has voted no.
(The Court of Appeal referendum is counting after it, but it seems may also have been lost)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 10:36:13 GMT
really ? I am surprised at that and it seems the hype on a yes vote was over played.
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 5, 2013 15:18:40 GMT
Currently 51.8% No with 3 constituencies still to declare.
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Post by Devonian on Oct 5, 2013 16:03:25 GMT
Final results 51.7% No 48.3% Yes
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Post by Devonian on Oct 5, 2013 16:09:04 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 5, 2013 18:12:24 GMT
And the Court of Appeal referendum has passed by about 65-35.
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Post by erlend on Oct 5, 2013 19:08:38 GMT
Looking at the figures it was lost outside Dublin but tightly. Lost quite badly in County Dublin.
I would have thought losing this is going to be a nasty jolt to the government, particularly as they never seem to have seen it coming.
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Post by erlend on Oct 5, 2013 19:18:30 GMT
The court of appeal one seems to have been given a remarkably consistent nod of appeal. Only Donegal NE being under 60% and just the Southside of County Dublin (S SE and Dun Laoghaire) being over 70%.
I think if I had been Irish I might have been on the winning side twice. While I do not necessarily disagree with the abolition of the Senate, I am unkeen on making serious constitutional change purely for financial reasons. But the lack of an appeal court appears to have been damaging to justice by creating serious backlogs at the Supreme Court.
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