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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 13, 2018 14:24:40 GMT
The SDP and then the Liberal Democrats came within 1,000 votes of winning Islington South & Finsbury in 3/6 elections between 1983 and 2005. Are there any other examples of a party coming within 1,000 votes of winning a seat so often within the same period of time? Labour held Thurrock until 2010 when they lost it by 92 votes. They were 536 behind in 2015 and 345 behind in 2017.
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Post by Ron Swanson on Apr 13, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
The SDP and then the Liberal Democrats came within 1,000 votes of winning Islington South & Finsbury in 3/6 elections between 1983 and 2005. Are there any other examples of a party coming within 1,000 votes of winning a seat so often within the same period of time? Labour held Thurrock until 2010 when they lost it by 92 votes. They were 536 behind in 2015 and 345 behind in 2017. I wonder how many MPs have won a seat by so few votes three elections running. A decent achievement considering they’ve been attacked from the left and right in that seat...
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 14, 2018 0:26:08 GMT
As mentioned above David Heath in Somerton & Frome, and also perhaps Ann Taylor in Bolton, haven't checked. The Tory majority in Batley & Spen was below 1,500 for three elections from 1983 to 1992.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 14, 2018 6:43:03 GMT
South West Norfolk is a good one. Sidney Dye gained it with a majority of 53 in 1945, increased his majority to 260 in 1950 but then lost a year later by 442. He regained the seat (against the national swing) in 1955 with a majority of 193. ON his death Labour held the seat in a by-election by over 1,000 but the majority fell to 78 in 1959. The Conservatives then gained the seat (against the national swing) in 1964 with a majority of 123 and increased their majority in 1966 (against the national swing) to 775. So at seven consecutib=ve general elections the majority was below 1,000 with two of them being below 100
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 7:41:11 GMT
As mentioned above David Heath in Somerton & Frome, and also perhaps Ann Taylor in Bolton, haven't checked. The Tory majority in Batley & Spen was below 1,500 for three elections from 1983 to 1992. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Conservatives won Thurrock by around 100 votes next time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 7:43:52 GMT
South West Norfolk is a good one. Sidney Dye gained it with a majority of 53 in 1945, increased his majority to 260 in 1950 but then lost a year later by 442. He regained the seat (against the national swing) in 1955 with a majority of 193. ON his death Labour held the seat in a by-election by over 1,000 but the majority fell to 78 in 1959. The Conservatives then gained the seat (against the national swing) in 1964 with a majority of 123 and increased their majority in 1966 (against the national swing) to 775. So at seven consecutib=ve general elections the majority was below 1,000 with two of them being below 100 The Conservatives came very close to gaining North Norfolk in 1964 as well. The Labour majority went from 658 in 1959 to 53 in 1964 and then rose to a towering 737 in 1966!
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 14, 2018 8:29:30 GMT
South West Norfolk is a good one. Sidney Dye gained it with a majority of 53 in 1945, increased his majority to 260 in 1950 but then lost a year later by 442. He regained the seat (against the national swing) in 1955 with a majority of 193. ON his death Labour held the seat in a by-election by over 1,000 but the majority fell to 78 in 1959. The Conservatives then gained the seat (against the national swing) in 1964 with a majority of 123 and increased their majority in 1966 (against the national swing) to 775. So at seven consecutib=ve general elections the majority was below 1,000 with two of them being below 100 The Conservatives came very close to gaining North Norfolk in 1964 as well. The Labour majority went from 658 in 1959 to 53 in 1964 and then rose to a towering 737 in 1966! One of the tables from 'The Nationalisation of English Rural Politics:Norfolk SW 1945-70':-
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 14, 2018 8:36:46 GMT
South West Norfolk is a good one. Sidney Dye gained it with a majority of 53 in 1945, increased his majority to 260 in 1950 but then lost a year later by 442. He regained the seat (against the national swing) in 1955 with a majority of 193. ON his death Labour held the seat in a by-election by over 1,000 but the majority fell to 78 in 1959. The Conservatives then gained the seat (against the national swing) in 1964 with a majority of 123 and increased their majority in 1966 (against the national swing) to 775. So at seven consecutib=ve general elections the majority was below 1,000 with two of them being below 100 The Conservatives came very close to gaining North Norfolk in 1964 as well. The Labour majority went from 658 in 1959 to 53 in 1964 and then rose to a towering 737 in 1966! The Labour MP for North Norfolk at that time was Bert Hazell, who lived to the age of 101.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 14, 2018 8:38:08 GMT
Some area statistics on the 2017 boundaries. All figures are for land area, excluding coastal water, and are in square miles.
Largest wards or divisions in Great Britain 1. Highland, Wester Ross, Strathpeffer and Lochalsh 1,894 2. Highland, North, West and Central Sutherland 1,861 3. Highland, Fort William and Ardnamurchan 988 4. Highland, Aird and Loch Ness 946 5. Highland, Badenoch and Strathspey 900 6. Perth and Kinross, Highland 890 7. Highland, Caol and Mallaig 789 8. Highland, Eilean a' Cheò 677 9. Aberdeenshire, Aboyne, Upper Deeside and Donside 675 10. Argyll and Bute, Kintyre and the Islands 628
Largest wards or divisions outwth Scotland 1. Northumberland, Bellingham 335 2. Northumberland, Rothbury 227 3. Durham, Barnard Castle West 193 4. Northumberland, Wooler 184 5. Durham, Weardale 155 6. Northumberland, South Tynedale 148 7. Northumberland, Humshaugh 116.5 8. South Lakeland, Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale 116.2 9. Northumberland, Norham and Islandshires 114 10. Powys, Blaen Hafren 103.9 11. Powys, Maescar/Llywel 98.2 12. Northumberland, Longhorsley 93.8
Largest divisions in Wales 1. Powys, Blaen Hafren 103.9 2. Powys, Maescar/Llywel 98.2 3. Powys, Llanwrtyd Wells 92.5 4. Ceredigion, Lledrod 86.3 5. Powys, Llanafanfawr 86.3 6. Powys, Glantwymyn 85.6 7. Powys, Talybont-on-Usk 78.6 8. Gwynedd, Llandderfel 78.2 9. Ceredigion, Melindwr 77.1 10. Gwynedd, Brithdir and Llanfachreth/Ganllwyd/Llanelltyd 75.9
Largest wards or divisions in England outside Northumberland and Durham 1. South Lakeland, Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale 116.2 2. West Devon, Dartmoor 90.0 3. Carlisle, Irthing 89.8 4. Carliels, Lyne 89.5 5. Shropshre, Clun 89.4 6. Richmondshire, Swaledale 87.6 7. Craven, Upper Wharfedale 84.0 8. Ryedale, Helmsley 82.8 9. Craven, Ingleton and Clapham 78.5 10. Shropshire, Corvedale 77.0
Largest wards or divisions in England outside the North West, North East and Yorkshire 1. West Devon, Dartmoor 90.0 2. Shropshre, Clun 89.4 3. Shropshire, Corvedale 77.0 4. High Peak, Hope Valley 73.4 5. New Forest, Brockenhurst and Forest South East 68.2 6. Wiltshire, West Selkley 66.7 7. West Devon, Bridestowe 65.8 8. Shropshire, Bishop's Castle 65.8 9. King's Lynn and West Norfolk, Denton 65.7 10. West Somerset, Greater Exmoor 64.2
Smallest wards or divisions in Great Britain, excluding the City of London 1. Cornwall, Hayle South 0.054 2. Ceredigion, Aberystwyth Canol/Central 0.115 3. South Lakeland, Ulverston Town 0.119 4. Gwynedd, Hirael 0.130 5. Pembrokeshire, Pembroke Dock: Central 0.136 6. Westminster, Tachbrook 0.137 7. Monmouthshire, Dewstow 0.139 8. Torfaen, Brynwern 0.147 9. Kensington and Chelsea, Pembridge 0.148 10. Tower Hamlets, Limehouse 0.151
Smallest wards or divisions in England, excluding the City of London 1. Cornwall, Hayle South 0.054 2. South Lakeland, Ulverston Town 0.119 3. Westminster, Tachbrook 0.137 4. Kensington and Chelsea, Pembridge 0.148 5. Tower Hamlets, Limehouse 0.151 6. South Lakeland, Kendal Kirkland 0.162 7. Hackney, Shacklewell 0.167 8. Westminster, Church Street 0.171 9. Scarborough, Central 0.178 10. Hyndburn, Peel 0.182
Smallest wards in Greater London, excluding the City 1. Westminster, Tachbrook 0.137 2. Kensington and Chelsea, Pembridge 0.148 3. Tower Hamlets, Limehouse 0.151 4. Hackney, Shacklewell 0.167 5. Westminster, Church Street 0.171 6. Kensington and Chelsea, St Helen's 0.185 7. Kensington and Chelsea, Earl's Court 0.186 8. Hackney, Brownswood 0.186 9. Kensington and Chelsea, Colville 0.189 10. Westminster, Harrow Road 0.191
Smallest wards or divisions in England, excluding Greater London 1. Cornwall, Hayle South 0.054 2. South Lakeland, Ulverston Town 0.119 3. South Lakeland, Kendal Kirkland 0.162 4. Scarborough, Central 0.178 5. Hyndburn, Peel 0.182 6. East Hampshire, Whitehill Chase 0.184 7. Mansfield, Newgate 0.188 8. Boston, Station 0.197 9. East Lindsey, Trinity 0.197 10. East Hampshire, Petersfield St Peters 0.202
Smallest divisions in Wales 1. Ceredigion, Aberystwyth Canol/Central 0.115 2. Gwynedd, Hirael 0.130 3. Pembrokeshire, Pembroke Dock: Central 0.136 4. Monmouthshire, Dewstow 0.139 5. Torfaen, Brynwern 0.147 6. Wrexham, Plas Madoc 0.159 7. Wrexham, Cartrefle 0.169 8. Monmouthshire, Green Lane 0.179 9. Wrexham, Wynnstay 0.182 10. Gwynedd, Garth 0.188
Smallest wards in Scotland 1. Aberdeen, Hilton/Woodside/Stockethill 1.016 2. Edinburgh, Leith Walk 1.023 3. Glasgow, Hillhead 1.130 4. Aberdeen, Northfield/Mastrick North 1.208 5. Inverclyde, Inverclyde South 1.295 6. South Ayrshire, Ayr East 1.384 7. Highland, Inverness Central 1.392 8. Fife, Kirkcaldy Central 1.447 9. Dundee, Maryfield 1.450 10. Aberdeen, George Street/Harbour 1.464
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Post by maxque on Apr 14, 2018 10:56:25 GMT
Some area statistics on the 2017 boundaries. All figures are for land area, excluding coastal water, and are in square miles. Smallest wards or divisions in Great Britain, excluding the City of London 1. Cornwall, Hayle South 0.054 I doubt it very much.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 14, 2018 12:13:42 GMT
Some area statistics on the 2017 boundaries. All figures are for land area, excluding coastal water, and are in square miles. Smallest wards or divisions in Great Britain, excluding the City of London 1. Cornwall, Hayle South 0.054 I doubt it very much. Hmmm. According to the Ordnance Survey source I have... Total area - 912.018 hectares Tidal area - 898.057 hectares ...which clearly doesn't stack up from a quick look at the map. I wonder if the OS got the land and tidal areas mixed up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 14:34:59 GMT
Although it's reasonable to do so, it's probably worth noting that you haven't included non-metropolitan county wards. Lots in Cumbria, Devon, and Norfolk are rather large (although none bigger than the largest in Northumberland IIRC).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 14, 2018 14:54:59 GMT
Non-metropolitan counties don't have wards. They have electoral divisions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:06:09 GMT
Non-metropolitan counties don't have wards. They have electoral divisions. Very true - Andrew's post says 'wards or divisions' though! Admittedly mine doesn't.
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 14, 2018 19:29:23 GMT
Some area statistics on the 2017 boundaries. What jumps out at me is that you can fit almost 1,000 Ulverston Towns inside Sedbergh and Kirby Lonsdale, despite the fact they are in the same council area. I don't think any councils exceed that, even Northumberland has quite a large smallest ward. It'd be interesting to see which council has the smallest ratio between the area of its largest and smallest wards - possibly a compact city council like Exeter or Oxford. It certainly won't have rural areas since the population density needs to be roughly constant and most rural councils have a town in them.
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 15, 2018 20:05:16 GMT
Gloucester has had 3 postwar Jewish MPs (Moss Turner-Samuels, Lab, Jack Diamond, Lab & Sally Oppenheim, Con) despite having almost no known Jewish residents. As far as I know no other constituency has had 3, although parts of Bury South have (Michael Fidler, Con, Bury & Radcliffe, and in the present Bury South David Sumberg, Con & Ivan Lewis, Lab). In contrast, the London Borough of Barnet has yet ever to have any at all, although Andrew Dismore does have partly Jewish ancestry at least. I think I've posted this before somewhere, but it's interesting that Mid Staffs, Burton, South Derbyshire and Amber Valley all had Jewish MPs from 1992 to 1997, and also Walsall North.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 16, 2018 9:50:18 GMT
If we consider Belper to be the linear predecessor to South Derbyshire, the constituency had 2 consecutive Jewish MPs since Sheila Faith was MP for Belper from 1979 to 1983. And George Brown's long-suffering wife, Sophie, was Jewish.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 16, 2018 10:43:52 GMT
I'm using the Wikipedia entry for Jewish MPs, but it's a bit too broad in some cases - Alf Dubs has told me he doesn't regard himself as Jewish, as only his father was (though of course the Nazis would have thought entirely differently) and the same applies to my MP Zac Goldsmith. Are you aware of 'Jewish Parliamentarians' by Greville Janner and Derek Taylor? Now 10 years old but a source of short biographies on the 200 Jewish MPs who had sat up to that point. www.amazon.co.uk/Jewish-Parliamentarians-Derek-Taylor/dp/0853038171
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
Gloucester has had 3 postwar Jewish MPs (Moss Turner-Samuels, Lab, Jack Diamond, Lab & Sally Oppenheim, Con) despite having almost no known Jewish residents. As far as I know no other constituency has had 3, although parts of Bury South have (Michael Fidler, Con, Bury & Radcliffe, and in the present Bury South David Sumberg, Con & Ivan Lewis, Lab). In contrast, the London Borough of Barnet has yet ever to have any at all, although Andrew Dismore does have partly Jewish ancestry at least. Welwyn Hatfield has had two (Grant Shapps and Helene Hayman)- I don't know the area but Pete Whitehead might be able to shed some light on whether that is unusual. On a not unrelated note, Hornsey & Wood Green has been represented by three religious minorities in a row- Barbara Roche and Lynne Featherstone (Jewish), followed by Catherine West (Quaker).
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 18, 2018 21:16:17 GMT
I had cause today to be using a paper unedited electoral register* - so for the first time saw Z printed next to electors' names (Z=opted out of the edited register). I'm used to encountering public paper registers - so missing opt-out electors - or candidate's/party's registers, often electronic - so no opt-outs (without explicitly looking for them on the electronic version).
I was quite surprised how many there were - a quick count on one page gave me 24 opt-out, 30 not opt-out. I hadn't realised it had become almost the default position.
*taking minutes for a town assembly.
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