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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 23, 2021 8:18:43 GMT
If the British House of Commons had a ratio of MPs:population similar to that of the Republic of Ireland (which has 160 TDs representing just under 5 million people), it would need as many as 2,135 MPs to represent the population fairly. The measure which has become fixed in the minds of political scientists is for the number of members in a national Parliament or Assembly to be about the cube root of the population. This was apparently first proposed by Rein Taagepera in "The size of national assemblies" (Social Science Research, 1972 part 1 (4): 385–401. doi:10.1016/0049-089X(72)90084-1). Ireland currently comes just under it (population 4.9 million, cube root 170) but the UK is significantly over (population 66 million, cube root 400 or so). |
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Post by greenhert on Jul 23, 2021 10:34:36 GMT
If the British House of Commons had a ratio of MPs:population similar to that of the Republic of Ireland (which has 160 TDs representing just under 5 million people), it would need as many as 2,135 MPs to represent the population fairly. The measure which has become fixed in the minds of political scientists is for the number of members in a national Parliament or Assembly to be about the cube root of the population. This was apparently first proposed by Rein Taagepera in "The size of national assemblies" (Social Science Research, 1972 part 1 (4): 385–401. doi:10.1016/0049-089X(72)90084-1). Ireland currently comes just under it (population 4.9 million, cube root 170) but the UK is significantly over (population 66 million, cube root 400 or so). By even that measure the size of the Lok Sabha in India should be twice what it is now given India's population of ~1.3 billion people. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 27, 2021 0:55:19 GMT
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 27, 2021 4:17:03 GMT
Events. And the timing of. Get lead post 1987: Black Monday (1987): Poll Tax (1989/90) Lose lead due to: New Conservative Leader (11/90) Pre 1987 leads were less permanent leads due to Westland blip (1985) etc |
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 1, 2021 11:35:35 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Aug 1, 2021 21:52:17 GMT
The districts that are soon to be abolished due to unitarisation plans in Cumbria, North Yorkshire and Somerset include four of the ten least populous non-unitary districts in England (Craven, Eden, Richmondshire and Ryedale). They also include 8 of the just 19 English districts with a population density of less than 100 people per square kilometre.
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Post by manchesterman on Aug 2, 2021 0:01:05 GMT
If the British House of Commons had a ratio of MPs:population similar to that of the Republic of Ireland (which has 160 TDs representing just under 5 million people), it would need as many as 2,135 MPs to represent the population fairly. The measure which has become fixed in the minds of political scientists is for the number of members in a national Parliament or Assembly to be about the cube root of the population. This was apparently first proposed by Rein Taagepera in "The size of national assemblies" (Social Science Research, 1972 part 1 (4): 385–401. doi:10.1016/0049-089X(72)90084-1). Ireland currently comes just under it (population 4.9 million, cube root 170) but the UK is significantly over (population 66 million, cube root 400 or so). Just read this with interest. For some reason the Falkland Islands popped into my head so I checked up ..and they have 10 legislative representatives for a population of c3400. This is a representative per 340 people. Translating that to the UK at present would result in around 200,000 MPs!  |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 2, 2021 4:53:10 GMT
The measure which has become fixed in the minds of political scientists is for the number of members in a national Parliament or Assembly to be about the cube root of the population. This was apparently first proposed by Rein Taagepera in "The size of national assemblies" (Social Science Research, 1972 part 1 (4): 385–401. doi:10.1016/0049-089X(72)90084-1). Ireland currently comes just under it (population 4.9 million, cube root 170) but the UK is significantly over (population 66 million, cube root 400 or so). Just read this with interest. For some reason the Falkland Islands popped into my head so I checked up ..and they have 10 legislative representatives for a population of c3400. This is a representative per 340 people. Translating that to the UK at present would result in around 200,000 MPs! which makes them underrepresented under this spurious "rule"! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 9:39:06 GMT
The measure which has become fixed in the minds of political scientists is for the number of members in a national Parliament or Assembly to be about the cube root of the population. This was apparently first proposed by Rein Taagepera in "The size of national assemblies" (Social Science Research, 1972 part 1 (4): 385–401. doi:10.1016/0049-089X(72)90084-1). Ireland currently comes just under it (population 4.9 million, cube root 170) but the UK is significantly over (population 66 million, cube root 400 or so). Just read this with interest. For some reason the Falkland Islands popped into my head so I checked up ..and they have 10 legislative representatives for a population of c3400. This is a representative per 340 people. Translating that to the UK at present would result in around 200,000 MPs! Now *that* would be a boundary review! Each seat would have about 238 electors! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 2, 2021 9:47:33 GMT
Just read this with interest. For some reason the Falkland Islands popped into my head so I checked up ..and they have 10 legislative representatives for a population of c3400. This is a representative per 340 people. Translating that to the UK at present would result in around 200,000 MPs! Now *that* would be a boundary review! Each seat would have about 238 electors! If we followed the Falkland Islands precedent there would be two seats: London and south east, and Rest of Britain. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 2, 2021 11:16:51 GMT
Just read this with interest. For some reason the Falkland Islands popped into my head so I checked up ..and they have 10 legislative representatives for a population of c3400. This is a representative per 340 people. Translating that to the UK at present would result in around 200,000 MPs! Now *that* would be a boundary review! Each seat would have about 238 electors! Anyone fancy having a go?  |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 2, 2021 11:33:53 GMT
Now *that* would be a boundary review! Each seat would have about 238 electors! If we followed the Falkland Islands precedent there would be two seats: London and south east, and Rest of Britain. You mean two constituencies, not two seats. It is not clear whether it being proposed that those two constituencies would have 100,000 MPs each? The count for a multiple-seat FPTP election would be interesting. As would an STV election |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 2, 2021 11:46:43 GMT
If we followed the Falkland Islands precedent there would be two seats: London and south east, and Rest of Britain. You mean two constituencies, not two seats. It is not clear whether it being proposed that those two constituencies would have 100,000 MPs each? The count for a multiple-seat FPTP election would be interesting. As would an STV election You'd have to book a week off work just to fill out the ballot paper. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 12:15:35 GMT
Now *that* would be a boundary review! Each seat would have about 238 electors! Anyone fancy having a go? It would break Boundary Assistant! |
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 5, 2021 14:35:15 GMT
Plotting the Labour leads/deficits for three elections (1979 - 268 seats, 1992 - 271 seats, 2017 - 262 seats):-  Labour piling up votes in their heartlands for the 2017 GE. The 'just over the line for an absolute majority' deficits were 7.3%, 8% and 7.1%. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 5, 2021 23:27:32 GMT
Plotting the Labour leads/deficits for three elections (1979 - 268 seats, 1992 - 271 seats, 2017 - 262 seats):- Labour piling up votes in their heartlands for the 2017 GE. The 'just over the line for an absolute majority' deficits were 7.3%, 8% and 7.1%. The antiLabour-bias in 2017 was 7.1%? Or 7.3%? |
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 6, 2021 7:00:05 GMT
[/quote]The antiLabour-bias in 2017 was 7.1%? Or 7.3%?[/quote]
Labour were 7.1% behind in seat 326 i.e. the absolute majority (although in reality a few seats less, depending on SF, can generate a majority).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 6, 2021 11:33:20 GMT
Yes, sorry, my description was inprecise.
But the question remains: Was it 7.1% in 1979 or 2017?
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 6, 2021 11:34:04 GMT
Yes, sorry, my description was inprecise. But the question remains: Was it 7.1% in 1979 or 2017? 2017. |
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Post by manchesterman on Aug 6, 2021 15:30:34 GMT
You mean two constituencies, not two seats. It is not clear whether it being proposed that those two constituencies would have 100,000 MPs each? The count for a multiple-seat FPTP election would be interesting. As would an STV election You'd have to book a week off work just to fill out the ballot paper. ..and can you imagine a recount! |
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