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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 17, 2012 21:37:22 GMT
Starting this thread off with a definite upcoming byelection, albeit where the sitting MP has not yet vacated their seat.
Manchester Central MP Tony Lloyd was this day selected as Labour candidate for the Greater Manchester Police and Crime Commissioner, and will therefore be resigning from Parliament to fight the election.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 21:45:47 GMT
He will be missed by the PLP so good luck to him. The choice of candidate for that seat will be fascinating.
Not sure on other parties but labour rules on the Mayor and PC candidates are clear so expect a few more labour seats up in thre next 4-6 weeks.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 17, 2012 21:46:56 GMT
The chose of candidate for that seat will be Afzal Khan, I would have thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 21:48:19 GMT
The chose of candidate for that seat will be Afzal Khan, I would have thought. yep that seems to be the general thought and the right choice. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 17, 2012 22:10:18 GMT
Not Lucy Powell, then??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 22:29:22 GMT
well that is the wild card I was thinking off and especially some of the hassle at HQ this week. However surely Afzal has iit sewn up and under Ed we have shown that we are allowing the local parties a lot more freedom. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 9:55:42 GMT
Manchester Central would be interesting - there seems to always be a number of candidates, and that's the sort of thing which we like on this forum after all.
In 2010, the good folk of Manchester Central could choose from many different shades of leftyism and in doing so gave Socialist Labour 153 votes, the Workers Revolutionary Party 59 and the Socialist Equality Party 54.....
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 19, 2012 10:32:59 GMT
Manchester Central would be interesting - there seems to always be a number of candidates, and that's the sort of thing which we like on this forum after all. Speak for yourself. Personally I prefera limited number of candidates, basically the big three plus UKIP, Green and BNP and maybe one party of the far-left variety, Respect or TUSC or whatever. Manchester Central would really not be that interesting, except I suppose to see how much the LD vote plummets compared with 2010. Otherwise yet another safe Labour seat which will tell us nothing about the state of the true electoral battleground |
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Post by stepney on Mar 19, 2012 11:34:03 GMT
Manchester Central would be interesting - there seems to always be a number of candidates, and that's the sort of thing which we like on this forum after all. Speak for yourself. Personally I prefera limited number of candidates, basically the big three plus UKIP, Green and BNP and maybe one party of the far-left variety, Respect or TUSC or whatever. You call seven candidates limited? In the 1886 election there were only four single-member seats that had a three-way fight. The other 550-odd had either one or two. That's the way it ought to be. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 19, 2012 11:46:33 GMT
Well I would love to go back to a situation where the Labour party didn't exist, but we are where we are
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 12:10:11 GMT
We've discussed this many times before and I will always prefer Haltemprice and Howden style mother of all ballot papers to Birkenhead 2010.
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Post by stepney on Mar 19, 2012 12:55:13 GMT
We've discussed this many times before and I will always prefer Haltemprice and Howden style mother of all ballot papers to Birkenhead 2010. Why, because you need a new tablecloth?  |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 19, 2012 13:10:19 GMT
I think the number of candidates per constituency in parliamentary elections (about 6 in general elections and about 10 or 12 in by-elections) is about right. It would only become a matter of concern if it crept up to being routinely 10 to 15 in the former, or routinely 15 to 20 in the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 19:38:22 GMT
Manchester Central would be interesting - there seems to always be a number of candidates, and that's the sort of thing which we like on this forum after all. Speak for yourself. Personally I prefera limited number of candidates, basically the big three plus UKIP, Green and BNP and maybe one party of the far-left variety, Respect or TUSC or whatever. Manchester Central would really not be that interesting, except I suppose to see how much the LD vote plummets compared with 2010. Otherwise yet another safe Labour seat which will tell us nothing about the state of the true electoral battleground we do need a true marginal but we did have one - Oldham and a very good result for Labour Cannock would have been perfect and chance of a nice marginal coming through because of PC or Mayor elections ? Stuart here, outside chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 19:45:21 GMT
Does the sitting MP resign on being elected or being confirmed as candidate?
I assume the writs in all cases will be held back so as to co-ordinate all elections to be held on the same day (potentially the same day in November as the PCC elections?)
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Post by fwt on Mar 19, 2012 20:26:17 GMT
Does the sitting MP resign on being elected or being confirmed as candidate? I assume the writs in all cases will be held back so as to co-ordinate all elections to be held on the same day (potentially the same day in November as the PCC elections?) I think they have to resign once elected. Section 70 of the Act says that the elected candidate for each area must make a declaration of acceptance of office once elected, and nobody who is a member of the Commons can make such a declaration. There's no mention of membership of the House of Commons in Section 66, which lays out the reasons for disqualification from actually being elected. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 19, 2012 20:27:17 GMT
Sitting MPs are ineligible to stand as Police Commissioner so will have to resign before handing in their nomination papers.
EDIT: I was looking at section 67 but maybe that is only intended to refer to Police Commissioners who are subsequently elected as MPs?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 20:59:25 GMT
Does the sitting MP resign on being elected or being confirmed as candidate? for labour it is when a candidate and for example Tony Lloyd was selected without a vote, he will step down. Not seen many other MP's linked with positions |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 21:38:17 GMT
This sections suggests an MP can stay in role until they are elected:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 8:28:49 GMT
Just to nip back to the candidate number question Here's a graph showing the number of candidates in by-elections held in the 1992-1997 parliament, that's the dark blue line. The pale line shows the difference between ballot paper sizes at the by-elections.  Now the same for the current parliament - in two cases, fewer candidates at the by-election than at the General  Or, in short, in this unscientific study, the days of huge ballots seems to be of the past, and so we are clearly overdue a number of by-elections with numerous independents and handfuls of novelty names. We can argue (maybe elsewhere) if the drop in candidates is due to the economic situation at the moment, a lack of interest in politics generally, a lack of interesting constituencies, or some A N Other explanation. It is worth noting, though, that in 1992-1997, we can see general election ballots with 3 candidates, something that was absent in 2010 save for Birkenhead. |
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