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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2024 11:49:32 GMT
Speaking of chancellors and their origins, here's a quick attempt to do an American-style Land of birth and Land of primary affiliation:
Birth:
Lower Saxony: 1 (Scholz)
NRW: 2 (Adenauer, Schroeder)
Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl)
Hamburg: 2 (Schmidt, Merkel)
Baden-Wurttemberg: 1 (Kiesinger)
Bavaria: 1 (Erhard)
Schleswig-Holstein: 1 (Brandt)
By "primary affiliation" on becoming chancellor:
Lower Saxony: 1 (Schroeder)
Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl)
NRW: 1 (Adenauer)
Baden-Wuerttemberg: 2 (Erhard, Kiesinger)
Hamburg: 1 (Schmidt)
Brandenburg: 1 (Scholz)
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 1 (Merkel)
Berlin: 1 (Brandt)
It's quite odd really, when you consider which Land each is associated with. Schroeder is associated with Lower Saxony, but is not from there; Scholz is associated with Hamburg but is not from there and does not live there now; everyone forgets Merkel is a Wessi by birth; and Brandt is heavily, heavily identified with Berlin but was from Lubeck.
Schmidt and Kohl were born in, governed, represented and died in their home towns.
Tough to rank them...especially as some of them find their legacies have unravelled.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 20, 2024 11:57:55 GMT
It's surprising that Hessen hasn't produced a Chancellor by either crieria
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2024 13:19:11 GMT
It's surprising that Hessen hasn't produced a Chancellor by either crieria The last chancellor from Hessen that I can find is way back in time- Philipp Scheidemann in 1919, although he did declare the Republic so he had an impact. There were two others in the time of the Empire. No presidents from there either, and one vice-chancellor who was living there at the time of election (Joschka Fischer). Very curious when you consider that the last three minister-presidents have been heavy-hitters, as have previous leaders. There don't even seem to be many who have made it to Kanzlerkandidat status. Janine Wissler in 2021 for Die Linke, Fischer for the Greens and Wolfgang Gerhardt for FDP in 1998...can't find anyone else. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 20, 2024 17:34:30 GMT
Speaking of chancellors and their origins, here's a quick attempt to do an American-style Land of birth and Land of primary affiliation: Birth: Lower Saxony: 1 (Scholz) NRW: 2 (Adenauer, Schroeder) Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl) Hamburg: 2 (Schmidt, Merkel) Baden-Wurttemberg: 1 (Kiesinger) Bavaria: 1 (Erhard) Schleswig-Holstein: 1 (Brandt) By "primary affiliation" on becoming chancellor: Lower Saxony: 1 (Schroeder) Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl) NRW: 1 (Adenauer) Baden-Wuerttemberg: 2 (Erhard, Kiesinger) Hamburg: 1 (Schmidt) Brandenburg: 1 (Scholz) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 1 (Merkel) Berlin: 1 (Brandt) It's quite odd really, when you consider which Land each is associated with. Schroeder is associated with Lower Saxony, but is not from there; Scholz is associated with Hamburg but is not from there and does not live there now; everyone forgets Merkel is a Wessi by birth; and Brandt is heavily, heavily identified with Berlin but was from Lubeck. Schmidt and Kohl were born in, governed, represented and died in their home towns. Tough to rank them...especially as some of them find their legacies have unravelled. Erhard and Scholz got themselves elected there but surely aren't associated with these states by anybody. Scholz is for all practical purposes from Hamburg. Erhard was in Frankfurt in 49 which is how he didn't end up in the CSU, but is obviously associated only ever with Franconia. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 20, 2024 17:39:30 GMT
And while we're at it, Merkel grew up in Brandenburg and lived in Leipzig and East Berlin as a young adult, her Vorpommern constituency was just as random.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2024 17:45:30 GMT
Speaking of chancellors and their origins, here's a quick attempt to do an American-style Land of birth and Land of primary affiliation: Birth: Lower Saxony: 1 (Scholz) NRW: 2 (Adenauer, Schroeder) Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl) Hamburg: 2 (Schmidt, Merkel) Baden-Wurttemberg: 1 (Kiesinger) Bavaria: 1 (Erhard) Schleswig-Holstein: 1 (Brandt) By "primary affiliation" on becoming chancellor: Lower Saxony: 1 (Schroeder) Rhineland-Palatinate: 1 (Kohl) NRW: 1 (Adenauer) Baden-Wuerttemberg: 2 (Erhard, Kiesinger) Hamburg: 1 (Schmidt) Brandenburg: 1 (Scholz) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 1 (Merkel) Berlin: 1 (Brandt) It's quite odd really, when you consider which Land each is associated with. Schroeder is associated with Lower Saxony, but is not from there; Scholz is associated with Hamburg but is not from there and does not live there now; everyone forgets Merkel is a Wessi by birth; and Brandt is heavily, heavily identified with Berlin but was from Lubeck. Schmidt and Kohl were born in, governed, represented and died in their home towns. Tough to rank them...especially as some of them find their legacies have unravelled. Erhard and Scholz got themselves elected there but surely aren't associated with these states by anybody. Scholz is for all practical purposes from Hamburg. Erhard was in Frankfurt in 49 which is how he didn't end up in the CSU, but is obviously associated only ever with Franconia. You're right, you wouldn't- but such is the nature of the "primary affiliation" concept I suppose! Same in America- most of us wouldn't associate Trump with Florida or Nixon with New York, but both successfully ran from those states. Purely a parlour game! But when will we see our first Hessich Chancellor? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 20, 2024 19:00:41 GMT
Never, we are occupied and wholly surrounded by an alien hostile nation (the Germans), please liberate us by force / didn't I just state that Erhard was living in Hesse when elected to the Bundestag, we already had one (pick one, both, or neither answer)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 20, 2024 20:30:07 GMT
Already in the XIXth it was debated, why MiddleGermany (UpperRhineland-Hesse-Thuringia-Saxony-Silesia) had played economically and intellectually an important role - but not politically.
With some meaning, that it was caused by its hilly landScape favouring fracturing.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 20, 2024 20:33:08 GMT
By the way: Kohl was by birth Bavarian!
(Because Palatine was part of it at that time.)
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