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Post by swanarcadian on Nov 6, 2024 18:55:12 GMT
It would not be surprising if some people are now wishing that if Trump had to be re-elected at all, it would have been better to have happened four years ago rather than now - to get it out the way, if you will. Then we’d be looking at a very different campaign this time.
How might things have panned out had Trump won against Biden, in terms of world events and the 2024 campaign? Would the situation in Ukraine and Palestine have been any different? Would the GOP have chosen to continue the Trump dynasty? Harris would surely not have been the Dem candidate; she was just the urgent replacement for Biden.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2024 20:17:42 GMT
It would not be surprising if some people are now wishing that if Trump had to be re-elected at all, it would have been better to have happened four years ago rather than now - to get it out the way, if you will. Then we’d be looking at a very different campaign this time. How might things have panned out had Trump won against Biden, in terms of world events and the 2024 campaign? Would the situation in Ukraine and Palestine have been any different? Would the GOP have chosen to continue the Trump dynasty? Harris would surely not have been the Dem candidate; she was just the urgent replacement for Biden. DeSantis vs Buttigieg. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 6, 2024 23:12:28 GMT
It would not be surprising if some people are now wishing that if Trump had to be re-elected at all, it would have been better to have happened four years ago rather than now - to get it out the way, if you will. Then we’d be looking at a very different campaign this time. How might things have panned out had Trump won against Biden, in terms of world events and the 2024 campaign? Would the situation in Ukraine and Palestine have been any different? Would the GOP have chosen to continue the Trump dynasty? Harris would surely not have been the Dem candidate; she was just the urgent replacement for Biden. DeSantis vs Buttigieg. Mike Pence would have been far more in the mix then since the big fall out over Jan 6th would never have happened |
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Post by mattbewilson on Nov 7, 2024 0:14:48 GMT
Trump surely would be looking at a third term now
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 7, 2024 0:37:13 GMT
Repealing the 22nd Amendment would require 2/3s of the House and Senate to propose it, or 2/3s of the states to call for a convention on a proposed repeal, and then 3/4s of the states to vote to repeal it. In modern America, that isn't happening.
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Post by tomc on Nov 7, 2024 10:50:53 GMT
Repealing the 22nd Amendment would require 2/3s of the House and Senate to propose it, or 2/3s of the states to call for a convention on a proposed repeal, and then 3/4s of the states to vote to repeal it. In modern America, that isn't happening. I don't see Pence being the Republican candidate in this scenario as he was picked as VP to reassure evangelicals and is not himself Trumpy. Given Trump has been reelected in 2020 the party would have been firmly Trumpified and I'd guess De Santis would be the likely nominee. The Democratic nominee is more interesting as they'd be free from any obligations to incumbents and also there might be less anti woke sentiment to deal with. Newsom might have been well placed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2024 13:23:03 GMT
Repealing the 22nd Amendment would require 2/3s of the House and Senate to propose it, or 2/3s of the states to call for a convention on a proposed repeal, and then 3/4s of the states to vote to repeal it. In modern America, that isn't happening. I don't see Pence being the Republican candidate in this scenario as he was picked as VP to reassure evangelicals and is not himself Trumpy. Given Trump has been reelected in 2020 the party would have been firmly Trumpified and I'd guess De Santis would be the likely nominee. The Democratic nominee is more interesting as they'd be free from any obligations to incumbents and also there might be less anti woke sentiment to deal with. Newsom might have been well placed. Someone like Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar might have run again and Buttigieg especially did well in the primaries. I wonder thought if he might have lost due to his homosexuality, in the primary and/or the general election, much as it pains me to say it. Klobuchar has some appeal as a strongly performing Midwest Senator. |
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 7, 2024 17:26:59 GMT
Would the situation in Ukraine and Palestine have been any different? Both wars would still have happened, the only change would be the amount of support Ukraine and Israel got from the US (probably less in the case of Ukraine and more in the case of Israel) and in the domestic reaction to those wars there. The big change there would be fewer Democrats distancing themselves from the anti-Israel protest groups. Which would likely have had consequences for their 2024 nominee. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2024 9:44:32 GMT
In the midterms the Democrats would've won 53 seats in the Senate (our timeline plus North Carolina and Wisconsin). Stephen Breyer would still be on the Supreme Court. J.D. Vance may not have been elected in Ohio in this scenario - he only won by 6% in 2022, underperforming Trump in the Buckeye State by a lot.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 8, 2024 10:26:53 GMT
If - as wasn't far off actually happening - Trump won a second term despite again losing the PV, pressure to reform the electoral college would have grown bigly.
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Post by adlai52 on Nov 8, 2024 16:34:17 GMT
It would not be surprising if some people are now wishing that if Trump had to be re-elected at all, it would have been better to have happened four years ago rather than now - to get it out the way, if you will. Then we’d be looking at a very different campaign this time. How might things have panned out had Trump won against Biden, in terms of world events and the 2024 campaign? Would the situation in Ukraine and Palestine have been any different? Would the GOP have chosen to continue the Trump dynasty? Harris would surely not have been the Dem candidate; she was just the urgent replacement for Biden. DeSantis vs Buttigieg. Buttigieg would never have won that nomination. I suspect Democrats would have jumped a generation, but gone with someone like Whitmer. I'm not sure he's even a credible candidate now. He's an effective spokesperson - but being an articulate McKinsey alum does not make you a competitive general election candidate. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 8, 2024 17:02:13 GMT
If - as wasn't far off actually happening - Trump won a second term despite again losing the PV, pressure to reform the electoral college would have grown bigly. Not anything like bigly enough to prompt a change with the necessary level of support. |
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