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Post by swingometer on Oct 29, 2024 11:23:44 GMT
Does anyone have a map of the boundaries from 1974-83 please?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 29, 2024 11:47:27 GMT
Do you mean constituency boundaries for that period?
Most London wards were redrawn ahead of the 1978 elections (Enfield was excepted) and these boundaries lasted up until 2002 for the most part*
Are you asking for a map of the ward boundaries from that period or the parliamentary constituency boundaries which were in effect from 1974 to 1983? (obviously the constituencies were drawn up using the ward boundaries preceding those which came in in 1978)
* There were some minor ward boundary changes due to changes of borough boundaries in some areas in 1994 (in Ealing/Brent; Barking/Redbridge; and the boundaries between Greater London and some neighbourring counties)
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Post by swingometer on Oct 29, 2024 11:50:13 GMT
Do you mean constituency boundaries for that period? Most London wards were redrawn ahead of the 1978 elections (Enfield was excepted) and these boundaries lasted up until 2002 for the most part* Are you asking for a map of the ward boundaries from that period or the parliamentary constituency boundaries which were in effect from 1974 to 1983? (obviously the constituencies were drawn up using the ward boundaries preceding those which came in in 1978) * There were some minor ward boundary changes due to changes of borough boundaries in some areas in 1994 (in Ealing/Brent; Barking/Redbridge; and the boundaries between Greater London and some neighbourring counties) I’m looking for the parliamentary constituencies, but if that’s not available I’m happy to take the local wards and work out the constituency boundaries from there, thank you. The changes in 1994 aren’t an issue, I’m looking for 1978 local election wards or 1974-83 constituency boundaries. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 29, 2024 11:50:44 GMT
 This is the GLC election of 1973, the first held on these boundaries which were the same as used for Parliamentary elections in 1974 and 1979 Observe btw how Labour won Sutton, Carshalton. I'm not sure if this has been noted before on this forum. |
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Post by swingometer on Oct 29, 2024 11:52:36 GMT
This is the GLC election of 1973, the first held on these boundaries which were the same as used for Parliamentary elections in 1974 and 1979 Observe btw how Labour won Sutton, Carshalton. I'm not sure if this has been noted before on this forum. What’s that Labour seat next to Finchley, thought Barnet was a Tory clean sweep, obviously Labour were riding high in 1973 though |
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Post by swingometer on Oct 29, 2024 11:53:01 GMT
Think it’s Hendon? Also I take it the northern border of Newham South and Bow and Poplar is the A11?
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 29, 2024 11:56:44 GMT
Hendon North.
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Post by cathyc on Oct 29, 2024 11:57:56 GMT
Do you mean constituency boundaries for that period? Most London wards were redrawn ahead of the 1978 elections (Enfield was excepted) and these boundaries lasted up until 2002 for the most part* Are you asking for a map of the ward boundaries from that period or the parliamentary constituency boundaries which were in effect from 1974 to 1983? (obviously the constituencies were drawn up using the ward boundaries preceding those which came in in 1978) * There were some minor ward boundary changes due to changes of borough boundaries in some areas in 1994 (in Ealing/Brent; Barking/Redbridge; and the boundaries between Greater London and some neighbourring counties) I’m looking for the parliamentary constituencies, but if that’s not available I’m happy to take the local wards and work out the constituency boundaries from there, thank you. The changes in 1994 aren’t an issue, I’m looking for 1978 local election wards or 1974-83 constituency boundaries. |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Oct 29, 2024 15:51:20 GMT
What’s that Labour seat next to Finchley, thought Barnet was a Tory clean sweep, obviously Labour were riding high in 1973 though At parliamentary level, Hendon North went Labour when it was created in 1945 but was Tory from 1950 to when it was abolished in 1997. However, at least before 1983, it was never a really safe Tory seat (and from 1983, only so because the SDP had grabbed a large part of the Labour vote) and tended to be pretty marginal in even slightly good Labour years (with the majority dropping to 600 in 1966). So in GLC elections, fought on the same boundaries after 1973 (until GLC abolition in 1986), it was always at risk when a Tory government was unpopular - going Labour in 1973 and only narrowly not doing so in 1981. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 30, 2024 16:03:16 GMT
2024 GE on those boundaries  Lab 73 Con 11 LD 7 Ind 1 Ravensbourne wtf.. |
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Post by batman on Oct 30, 2024 16:08:09 GMT
What’s that Labour seat next to Finchley, thought Barnet was a Tory clean sweep, obviously Labour were riding high in 1973 though At parliamentary level, Hendon North went Labour when it was created in 1945 but was Tory from 1950 to when it was abolished in 1997. However, at least before 1983, it was never a really safe Tory seat (and from 1983, only so because the SDP had grabbed a large part of the Labour vote) and tended to be pretty marginal in even slightly good Labour years (with the majority dropping to 600 in 1966). So in GLC elections, fought on the same boundaries after 1973 (until GLC abolition in 1986), it was always at risk when a Tory government was unpopular - going Labour in 1973 and only narrowly not doing so in 1981. that was my friend Frank who stood in Hendon North in 1973-1981 inclusive. As mentioned elsewhere, he died early this year a few weeks after his 100th birthday party |
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Post by batman on Oct 30, 2024 16:09:43 GMT
2024 GE on those boundaries Lab 73 Con 11 LD 7 Ind 1 Ravensbourne wtf.. I have no idea why the seat was called Ravensbourne, since the area of that name is very small & arguably wasn't even all in that constituency |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 30, 2024 16:15:44 GMT
The river I suppose rather than the place, but it is probably the crappest name ever used for a London constituency
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 30, 2024 16:17:52 GMT
2024 GE on those boundaries Lab 73 Con 11 LD 7 Ind 1 Ravensbourne wtf.. I have no idea why the seat was called Ravensbourne, since the area of that name is very small & arguably wasn't even all in that constituency Where is the small area known by the name? Sorry for being too lazy to look it up myself. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 30, 2024 16:43:06 GMT
2024 GE on those boundaries Lab 73 Con 11 LD 7 Ind 1 Ravensbourne wtf.. What are your nationals for Harrow West and Finchley on those boundaries? I'm slightly surprised they aren't reversed. Ravensbourne is a weird name, but in this era we had a local government district called Thamesdown which, to the modern observer, makes zero sense. Where does the Labour lead come from in Ravensbourne? |
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Post by batman on Oct 30, 2024 16:47:04 GMT
I have no idea why the seat was called Ravensbourne, since the area of that name is very small & arguably wasn't even all in that constituency Where is the small area known by the name? Sorry for being too lazy to look it up myself. Ravensbourne station is just inside the Bromley borough boundary, just north of Beckenham & NW of Shortlands. Inasmuch as Ravensbourne is an area at all, it's close to the station I guess. I didn't mention Ravensbourne in my constituency profiles for the area.......... |
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Post by where2travel on Oct 30, 2024 16:54:44 GMT
Yes, it'll have been named after the River Ravensbourne which begins in Keston, then flows up through Hayes Common, Bromley and Beckenham Place Park towards Lewisham and onwards to the Thames. The initial stretch will have run through the Ravensbourne constituency.
Ravensbourne isn't really a place as such, in that no-one would say they live "in Ravensbourne". It gives it's name to a railway station. Since Beckenham Place Park was all brought under Lewisham Borough, the station was previously the meeting point of 4 wards and 4 constituencies (I can't recall if it still is under the revised boundaries). People in that area would likely say they live in Beckenham, Shortlands or Bromley, depending which side they live on.
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Post by YL on Oct 30, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
I have no idea why the seat was called Ravensbourne, since the area of that name is very small & arguably wasn't even all in that constituency "Ravensbourne" was suggested as a name for two different London Boroughs, those which ended up being called Bromley and Lewisham. ( Source.) |
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Post by sanders on Oct 30, 2024 18:40:07 GMT
No need to be shocked. US states are named for rivers. Colorado and Mississippi. Indeed, D.C. should be called Potomac if it ever becomes a state, IMHO.
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Post by bjornhattan on Oct 30, 2024 21:48:45 GMT
No need to be shocked. US states are named for rivers. Colorado and Mississippi. Indeed, D.C. should be called Potomac if it ever becomes a state, IMHO. As someone born and raised in a "county" named after two rivers (!) I can assure you I'm not shocked... |
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