ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Oct 24, 2024 18:17:50 GMT
The motion to switch to STV in Gwynedd has fallen one vote short of the required two thirds majority of councillors, despite the consultation finding the local electorate were in favour of the change. x.com/erscymru/status/1849464150637822078?s=46The idea that the result of the consultation means the local electorate were in favour is quite a stretch. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 24, 2024 18:18:15 GMT
Oh what a shame. I do wonder if the disruption around the leadership may have been a decisive distraction. Is it correct that they basically can't vote again for 4 years, as there's a longstop date in the legislation due to the need to prepare new boundaries? I believe the deadline is 15 November. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 27, 2024 10:50:44 GMT
The motion to switch to STV in Gwynedd has fallen one vote short of the required two thirds majority of councillors, despite the consultation finding the local electorate were in favour of the change. x.com/erscymru/status/1849464150637822078?s=46Oh, it requires a two thirds majority? And of course councils where a single party can easily reach that number of seats are unlikely (ahem) to introduce STV... |
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 27, 2024 10:56:24 GMT
The motion to switch to STV in Gwynedd has fallen one vote short of the required two thirds majority of councillors, despite the consultation finding the local electorate were in favour of the change. x.com/erscymru/status/1849464150637822078?s=46Oh, it requires a two thirds majority? And of course councils where a single party can easily reach that number of seats are unlikely (ahem) to introduce STV... I know, it ain’t fair, is it? |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 27, 2024 14:57:14 GMT
Why have we ended up in this country with STV as the go to system. Transferable votes shouldn't be necessary in proportional systems.
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 27, 2024 15:07:52 GMT
Why have we ended up in this country with STV as the go to system. Transferable votes shouldn't be necessary in proportional systems. Yes, it always seems to have to be STV, doesn’t it. It’s the favoured choice of most political parties who advocate PR (the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Liberal). Reform and the Greens seem more open minded. The SDP was the exception in the party manifestos - they wanted a list system with seats allocated by the D’Hondt method. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 27, 2024 17:20:01 GMT
Why have we ended up in this country with STV as the go to system. Transferable votes shouldn't be necessary in proportional systems. Being transferable is what makes it proportional. It also allows choice of different candidates within a party, as well as choice of different parties. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 27, 2024 20:55:53 GMT
Oh, it requires a two thirds majority? And of course councils where a single party can easily reach that number of seats are unlikely (ahem) to introduce STV... I know, it ain’t fair, is it? it ain't, but that wasn't what I meant. More of a "shouldn't've gotten my hopes up if I'd realized about that two thirds requirement" thing. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 27, 2024 21:45:47 GMT
Regardless of whether STV is the best alternative it is still the one endorsed by a large majority in a referendum. Then it was vetoed by a minority of sitting councillors.
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 27, 2024 22:22:05 GMT
Regardless of whether STV is the best alternative it is still the one endorsed by a large majority in a referendum. Then it was vetoed by a minority of sitting councillors. There was no referendum. There was a consultation which is not the same thing. It is not surprising that the STV supporters were more likely to be motivated to respond than people who were happy with the status quo. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 27, 2024 22:26:59 GMT
Regardless of whether STV is the best alternative it is still the one endorsed by a large majority in a referendum. Then it was vetoed by a minority of sitting councillors. There was no referendum. There was a consultation which is not the same thing. It is not surprising that the STV supporters were more likely to be motivated to respond than people who were happy with the status quo. The I misunderstood by thinking the consultation was in the form of a referendum. The same sort of argument applies though. Why would STV supporters be more motivated as opposed to anybody preferring the status quo or another system? If that's going to be the case then don't consult at all. What other council business requites a two thirds majority? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 28, 2024 15:51:36 GMT
There was no referendum. There was a consultation which is not the same thing. It is not surprising that the STV supporters were more likely to be motivated to respond than people who were happy with the status quo. The I misunderstood by thinking the consultation was in the form of a referendum. The same sort of argument applies though. Why would STV supporters be more motivated as opposed to anybody preferring the status quo or another system? If that's going to be the case then don't consult at all. What other council business requites a two thirds majority? well it's not really council business, it's more of a power specially devolved to them thanks to a political decision (foul compromise) by Cardiff. Another system is not an option. I don't think strong defenders of the (risible imho, though it's none of my business as a nonBrit) status quo had any reason to sit the consultation out, but there's a difference between the balance of opinion among those with strong and (hopefully) informed views, and the balance of opinion among the entire populace. Most people aren't ever going to think about the voting system for council elections until you spring a referendum on them. |
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