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Post by listener on Sept 14, 2024 23:11:25 GMT
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 15, 2024 7:09:59 GMT
didn't Stroud try to do this |
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Post by carolus on Sept 15, 2024 7:14:53 GMT
didn't Stroud try to do this I don't know what happened with Stroud, but changing their voting system (as far as I'm aware) isn't a power English councils have, whereas it is one Welsh councils have. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 15, 2024 12:11:04 GMT
didn't Stroud try to do this I don't know what happened with Stroud, but changing their voting system (as far as I'm aware) isn't a power English councils have, whereas it is one Welsh councils have. English councils can go from in-thirds to all-up. Is that what Stroud considered? |
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Post by YL on Sept 15, 2024 16:48:42 GMT
I don't know what happened with Stroud, but changing their voting system (as far as I'm aware) isn't a power English councils have, whereas it is one Welsh councils have. English councils can go from in-thirds to all-up. Is that what Stroud considered? Stroud did change to all-up. What I think is being referred to is a motion proposing that the council should ask the Government to be allowed to trial a different electoral system. (See section 11 in this agenda.) |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 15, 2024 16:56:14 GMT
English councils can go from in-thirds to all-up. Is that what Stroud considered? Stroud did change to all-up. What I think is being referred to is a motion proposing that the council should ask the Government to be allowed to trial a different electoral system. (See section 11 in this agenda.) St Helens has changed to all-up. We brought a motion in Trafford calling for the government to enable PR in council elections in England. Of course it was voted down, by a council whose leader who said he supported PR but that "it didn't keep him awake at night". |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 15, 2024 17:33:06 GMT
English councils can go from in-thirds to all-up. Is that what Stroud considered? Stroud did change to all-up. What I think is being referred to is a motion proposing that the council should ask the Government to be allowed to trial a different electoral system. (See section 11 in this agenda.) How likely is such a motion to pass in Gwynedd? Cardiff tried this recently and failed. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 15, 2024 18:29:19 GMT
Stroud did change to all-up. What I think is being referred to is a motion proposing that the council should ask the Government to be allowed to trial a different electoral system. (See section 11 in this agenda.) How likely is such a motion to pass in Gwynedd? Cardiff tried this recently and failed. Plaid dominate here whereas labour dominate Cardiff |
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Post by listener on Oct 7, 2024 16:56:35 GMT
Gwynedd will decide the way forward at an Extraordinary Meeting of the Council on 24 October.
882 individuals have responded to the consultation, with 637 favouring a change to STV, 219 favouring first past the post and 26 with no opinion.
13 community councils have responded to the consultation, with 3 favouring a change to STV (including Caernarfon), 8 favouring first past the post (including Harlech) and 2 with no opinion.
If the council votes to move to STV, LGBC Wales will conduct a boundary review before the 2027 elections.
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 7, 2024 19:57:55 GMT
didn't Stroud try to do this I don't know what happened with Stroud, but changing their voting system (as far as I'm aware) isn't a power English councils have, whereas it is one Welsh councils have. Does anyone know why or how this is, if it’s true? It’d be nice to know the back story to these consultations in Welsh councils; online sources seem rather vague. Moreover, one of them suggested FPTP and STV were the only two “permitted” voting systems. |
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Post by carolus on Oct 7, 2024 20:14:33 GMT
I don't know what happened with Stroud, but changing their voting system (as far as I'm aware) isn't a power English councils have, whereas it is one Welsh councils have. Does anyone know why or how this is, if it’s true? It’d be nice to know the back story to these consultations in Welsh councils; online sources seem rather vague. Moreover, one of them suggested FPTP and STV were the only two “permitted” voting systems. Local Government and Elections (Wales) Act 2021
And yes, only FPTP and STV permitted.
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Oct 7, 2024 20:22:30 GMT
13 community councils have responded...8 favouring first past the post (including Harlech) Groans of wounded peasants dying, Wails of wives and children flying, For the distant succour crying, We don't want PR! |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 8, 2024 4:17:51 GMT
Does anyone know why or how this is, if it’s true? It’d be nice to know the back story to these consultations in Welsh councils; online sources seem rather vague. Moreover, one of them suggested FPTP and STV were the only two “permitted” voting systems. Local Government and Elections (Wales) Act 2021
And yes, only FPTP and STV permitted.
Might at least ensure contested elections across Gwynedd. |
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Post by ricmk on Oct 11, 2024 21:44:34 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Oct 12, 2024 4:44:53 GMT
I'd like to think that at local government level those councillors' opinions on the electoral system are what matters, and that they won't need whipping if they are indeed in favour of a change. The issue over which the quartet of separatists have resigned from the Plaid group is wholly unrelated and shouldn't change their view on STV either way (if indeed they've given it much thought at all).
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 23, 2024 18:31:21 GMT
Just crossposting with the Ceredigion thread in the 2022 sub boards:
The ERS has reported that 67 percent of residents have backed STV in a consultation on the voting system for this district. 30 percent backed FPTP and 3 percent expressed no preference.
Maybe the thread title ought to be changed as there are multiple Welsh councils doing this consultation now.
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 23, 2024 21:57:43 GMT
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 24, 2024 15:04:13 GMT
The motion to switch to STV in Gwynedd has fallen one vote short of the required two thirds majority of councillors, despite the consultation finding the local electorate were in favour of the change. x.com/erscymru/status/1849464150637822078?s=46 |
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Post by ricmk on Oct 24, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
Oh what a shame. I do wonder if the disruption around the leadership may have been a decisive distraction.
Is it correct that they basically can't vote again for 4 years, as there's a longstop date in the legislation due to the need to prepare new boundaries?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 24, 2024 16:42:45 GMT
Modernisation takes quite a slow time here doesn't it.
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