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Post by markgoodair on Apr 12, 2024 2:58:53 GMT
Poor result for Labour.
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Post by batman on Apr 12, 2024 4:56:10 GMT
It’s always been a poor area for Labour as you are well aware. If Labour won 550 seats in Britain this would probably not be one of them.
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 12, 2024 6:50:45 GMT
It’s always been a poor area for Labour as you are well aware. If Labour won 550 seats in Britain this would probably not be one of them. And this ward in particular has very few demographics favourable to Labour, I am slightly surprised they were beaten by Reform because I imagine this is also one of Harrogate's more Remain wards. |
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 12, 2024 8:14:56 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Stray, Woodlands and Hookstone TIMOTHY, Andrew David (Liberal Democrat) 1,094 ENNIS, John Radcliffe ( Conservative) 768 CHARTERS, Gilly (Green) 376 SWALES, Jonathan Mark (Reform UK) 141 FOXALL, Geoff (Labour) 116 A result which I suspect will not please my relatives who live in this division. all 116 of them? |
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Post by batman on Apr 12, 2024 8:16:23 GMT
My guess would be that Reform put a bit of effort in and Labour didn’t. We really are permanently weak in the Harrogate area. Years ago we occasionally won the odd council seat in Knaresborough
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 12, 2024 8:16:26 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Stray, Woodlands and Hookstone TIMOTHY, Andrew David (Liberal Democrat) 1,094 ENNIS, John Radcliffe ( Conservative) 768 CHARTERS, Gilly (Green) 376 SWALES, Jonathan Mark (Reform UK) 141 FOXALL, Geoff (Labour) 116 A result which I suspect will not please my relatives who live in this division. all 116 of them? They would not have been voting for Mr Foxall. I think either Mr Ennis or Mr Swales would have received their votes. |
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Post by olympian95 on Apr 12, 2024 9:06:43 GMT
Indy ahead of LDs on first Prefs in Inverness it appears.
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Post by carolus on Apr 12, 2024 9:35:14 GMT
Ind gain fron LD
Ind 730
LD 652
SNP 641
Con 533
Lab 364
Green 237
Alba 107
Sovreignity 41
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Post by andrewp on Apr 12, 2024 9:38:10 GMT
Ind gain fron LD Ind 730 LD 652 SNP 641 Con 533 Lab 364 Green 237 Alba 107 Sovreignity 41 Most first preferences with 22.1%! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 12, 2024 9:39:30 GMT
In the days of FPTP local elections in Scotland, there used to be a few wards like that in the Highlands.
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Post by andrewp on Apr 12, 2024 9:40:34 GMT
I make that
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Apr 12, 2024 9:46:18 GMT
You have to love the nature of STV by-elections, because despite losing the seat, that’s a very good result for the Lib Dems, looking at the swing from the SNP!
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Post by certain on Apr 12, 2024 9:53:24 GMT
Whether or not a single-seat contest is described as “STV” or “AV” is not really of much importance. However, Counting Rule 55 specifies that a candidate is elected when they have achieved a majority of valid votes – simple AV. This makes the STV “quota” irrelevant in single-seat contests. Unfortunately, the bug-strewn computerised counting system doesn't know about Rule 55 and completely ignores it. The quota is calculated and published. If a candidate achieves an overall majority, but without reaching the quota, a further nonsensical counting stage is done wherein some runner-up's votes are transferred, by some mysterious process, to the winner.
Furthermore, the system does not include the final result details in the declaration – only the first preferences. The result of this is that the media usually fails to publish these important details, even sometimes who came second.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 12, 2024 9:56:24 GMT
I make that Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy) LD 19.7% (+11.1) SNP 19.4% (-15.8) Con 16.1% (-0.8) Lab 11% (-3.7) Green 7.2% (+1.8) Alba 3.2% (+1.3) Sov 1.2% ( new) 'A Very Good Result' in which they actually lose the seat. Please explain this to me? |
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Post by andrewp on Apr 12, 2024 9:56:54 GMT
You have to love the nature of STV by-elections, because despite losing the seat, that’s a very good result for the Lib Dems, looking at the swing from the SNP! This week the LDs held the seat where there vote share went down and lost the one where it went up. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 12, 2024 9:59:52 GMT
You have to love the nature of STV by-elections, because despite losing the seat, that’s a very good result for the Lib Dems, looking at the swing from the SNP! Yes, was not expecting it to be that be that close! |
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Post by iain on Apr 12, 2024 10:17:17 GMT
You have to love the nature of STV by-elections, because despite losing the seat, that’s a very good result for the Lib Dems, looking at the swing from the SNP! Both our by-election defences in the Highlands this term have been strong results (this one better), but we have lost both! Must be very irritating for the group up there. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 12, 2024 10:19:25 GMT
I make that Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy) LD 19.7% (+11.1) SNP 19.4% (-15.8) Con 16.1% (-0.8) Lab 11% (-3.7) Green 7.2% (+1.8) Alba 3.2% (+1.3) Sov 1.2% ( new) 'A Very Good Result' in which they actually lose the seat. Please explain this to me? Because the main local elections in Scotland use multi-member divisions elected by STV. We had another example just last month when the Greens gained a seat from Labour, despite there actually being a significant swing *to* the latter from the 2022 result. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on Apr 12, 2024 10:19:40 GMT
I make that Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy) LD 19.7% (+11.1) SNP 19.4% (-15.8) Con 16.1% (-0.8) Lab 11% (-3.7) Green 7.2% (+1.8) Alba 3.2% (+1.3) Sov 1.2% ( new) 'A Very Good Result' in which they actually lose the seat. Please explain this to me? We went from a very distant fourth, where we might have not held on at all if the SNP had stood a second candidate, to a close second. Expectations on here were quite reasonably that this was an Ind vs SNP battle and we didn't stand a chance. It bodes well for the next time the seat is up. You know all of this, of course. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 12, 2024 10:21:09 GMT
Anyway, the long SNP drought in Scottish council by-elections continues.
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